From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 938 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2017 23:24:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 22325 Received: (qmail 26251 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2017 23:24:00 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from sym2.noone.org by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.99.2/21882. spamassassin: 3.4.1. Clear:RC:0(178.63.92.236):SA:0(-3.2/5.0):. Processed in 3.303712 secs); 02 Jan 2017 23:24:00 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Envelope-From: abe@sym2.noone.org X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: none (ns1.primenet.com.au: domain at sym2.noone.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 00:17:53 +0100 From: Axel Beckert To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: using gitlab (or other) issue tracker instead of mailing list? Message-ID: <20170102231752.GM21254@sym.noone.org> Mail-Followup-To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 X-Machine: sym2 x86_64 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 23.4.1 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAAAAAC3mUtaAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAADh0RVh0U29mdHdhcmUAWFYgVmVyc2lvbiAzLjEwYSAgUmV2OiAxMi8yOS85NCAoUE5HIHBhdGNoIDEuMindFS5JAAACGElEQVQ4jXXQMU8UYRDG8f8shNjdDH4AbpfGDjAWlKiJiZ0ajL1aGCvsNCbGaCGG1koLaztaTYz6ATy+gOyehYmF3MxVxgg3FnDsHcTpJr/M+8w7Rf6nCsaVTTDqxbg9hoOXmw83H71+Eyfg4E1d7/Z2fG9rGkZbTQiu+K+3U/C+76lmkvAhJuDndnoAiftou4V84okAGclop4U/jYACZDTxrYWP0gkxVfAm/W//GLZpxIzwIN0Hn8dw0B+IWkZmQmRsj2HfhwokEklHfNCCiQCRgAR7YyhQVRVTCKCzP4Y5zBBE0t0zY3Q8oQaBqqAMlVEcgVQd9706zGirAFium8HXumlMIeMwqQCInju+2+uB6MRENupdpMt8pRlHZyuAW0F+Mb6XSIVqtxjD+iVmVqqystLEzFTGT92YqRaXpNT5eTVjeJhbALPnrTxLUZUKZsgxcNm64hAOYisT/xhF+oKTGU5RegtC3Rt6eEDi/QnIevdTx9Md2EMmYBRmCQR1026FCGQQJJExsRUqgkMGaWSbwYLnoO4T6VgpbQbdELPMBAHWWrhYrcxXnYgAsatPWygkFCBD4K62MAsOTqA6szYRPpsu6e6Y8mPiVrBMNuGIMrgwBUu4p2DgG1Ownu6hpuTv7hScefHAzAC/yRRw5U5pALMbJ4AUALvHSZhxgHPXTsHcdWD1GadAHr9avP+c0wCr7263Df8ASLwXWHWs+KIAAAAHdElNRQfYBQEBODPr Organization: DeuxChevaux.org -- The =?iso-8859-1?Q?Citr?= =?iso-8859-1?B?b+tu?= 2CV Database User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi, On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 05:10:43PM -0800, Timothee Cour wrote: > Subject: using gitlab (or other) issue tracker instead of mailing list? That discussion isn't new, see e.g. http://www.zsh.org/mla/workers/2015/msg03353.html (which is the last mail in that thread and contains more or less the whole thread). > * github/gitlab are widely used so no particular signup would be > needed IMHO this is just wrong. Both, GitHub as well as GitLab require you to sign up with them to file bug reports. Just because they're popular, doesn't mean you can ignore their requirement to sign up to report bugs. > * using github.gitlab, ppl can click on Watch to follow/unfollow > individual issues or all of zsh issues to choose how much email from > github they receive Definitely a feature we currently don't provide and which IMHO would be nice. > * it would lower the barrier of entry to enter bugs, ie get bugs fixed > faster That depends a lot on the point of view. I know enough people for whom having to use GitHub or GitLab is a barrier high enough to not report bugs at all, because they would have to create an account which they don't want to do. For the current system, no account is necessary. You could even submit patches or bug reports anonymously since SMTP allows to use arbitrary sender addresses. > * all benefits of bug tracker as opposed to mailling list [tracking bugs, > cross references, search, syntax highlighting etc] Both, cross references as well as a search are available via http://www.zsh.org/mla/. > * avoids revealing your email address Well, that's as good as you don't need to reveal your real address to send a mail via SMTP. Don't get me wrong: I do have both, GitHub and GitLab accounts and I would also use GitHub for issue tracking (but personally aren't too happy with GitLab). But I feel I have to advocate for those who oppose any solution which requires signing up anywhere as I can understand those people very well. E.g. I stopped years ago to report bugs to any project who's using Bugzilla. My most favourite bug tracker so far is debbugs, the bug tracking system developed for and used by Debian, but also used by e.g. the GNU Project. You control everything by e-mail there. And control by e-mail is IMHO mandatory for Zsh's use case, too. But debbugs is no bug-tracking system for a single open source project. It's rather made for a collection of projects and totally overkill if you want to use you own instance just for a single project. Kind regards, Axel -- /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign | Axel Beckert \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and News | abe@deuxchevaux.org (Mail) X See http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html | abe@noone.org (Mail+Jabber) / \ I love long mails: http://email.is-not-s.ms/ | http://abe.noone.org/ (Web)