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Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4MJvV81Bjrz3LD; Fri, 2 Sep 2022 10:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 10:36:48 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge Message-ID: <20220902103648.GM5920@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <5141de6b-dbee-4d4b-3b74-d95a671fa04e@luffy.cx> <33d0bd1a-4da7-416d-a92a-04ceb07d1107@www.fastmail.com> <1c9b6072-26e7-467e-b8cc-7d44f15eaf1b@www.fastmail.com> <9116efd4-7c88-4ea3-9601-9c522236fee7@www.fastmail.com> <20220831092831.GA992100@zira.vinc17.org> <2a3b5ac0-f4f8-4c14-835a-c3d31db6d4fb@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 28031 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Felipe Contreras wrote on Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 20:49:52 -0500: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 8:27 PM Lawrence Velázquez wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ray Andrews wrote: > > > Experts have the mind of experts. So the above no doubt makes > > > perfect sense to the expert who wrote it and already understands > > > it, but is useless to me. > > > > I think this is pretty harsh toward Daniel. I have no doubt he > > could have written a more verbose and comprehensive explanation in > > a paragraph or two, but I wouldn't have been surprised if you'd > > objected to its wordiness. > There's no easy way to explain zstyle in a sentence since it has so many moving parts (keys, values, contexts, context patterns). > It's not either or. I constantly try to put myself in the shoes of > newcomers, and sometimes an explanation I give is deemed not clear > enough. Does that mean I failed and I'm stupid? No, it's just > feedback, I can try another one. > > People who are not constantly being subject to criticism often think > it's something negative, but it isn't, it's just an opportunity to try > something better. > > Ultimately the people who should judge prose meant for newcomers, are > newcomers. If they say it isn't clear, then it isn't clear. It wasn't meant to be clear. It was meant to be a summary of the answer, so that: 1. Anyone who RTFM'd following my post would know whether they were reading the right part of the docs. 2. Anyone who /already knew/ the topic would know they could skip that pointer to the docs. 3. Readers (including lurkers) would get a fishing rod rather than a fish.