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Fri, 16 Dec 2022 07:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4NYTR339kbz4f8; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 12:47:59 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: zsh-users@zsh.org Cc: Xiao Ling XL Chen Subject: Re: Are there zsh error message explanation Message-ID: <20221216124759.GD8411@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <2182a97d-fe76-9f37-7f99-1f3b3564795a@eastlink.ca> <20221215211825.GA8411@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 28555 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Bart Schaefer wrote on Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 19:28:15 -0800: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 1:18 PM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > > To answer your question, that particular error message means the > > CSH_NULL_GLOB option has fired. The message could be improved, yes. > > We've had this discussion before and decided to stay with the error > messages that all shells with similar features have in common, even if > they may be terse. Pointer to the previous discussion, please? I grepped and haven't found anything, and from your (terse…) summary I don't understand why we prefer compatibility with other shells over user-friendliness, especially considering that: - "Optimize for the common case." Most people who will see an error message are not newly converted from other shells. For instance, changing zsh's error message to "bad command or file name" wouldn't make things perceptibly easier for cmd.exe convertees. - It's not an either/or case. If the current error message says "foo" then we can change it to say "foo: some elaboration about foo". The leading "foo" part would still be there. - The error message is unclear and should be improved. Compatibility doesn't mean we can't ever change the error message; it just limits what changes we will consider. Cheers, Daniel