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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:33:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: Zsh Users To: Bart Schaefer References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) X-AuthUser: pedz+easesoftware.com@mi3-ss4.a2hosting.com X-Seq: 27668 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: --Apple-Mail=_911057C9-7546-4DB6-8CD7-C2BF16381713 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B45330DC-03B7-4421-A7A1-4420EB17289E" --Apple-Mail=_B45330DC-03B7-4421-A7A1-4420EB17289E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 18, 2022, at 22:05, Bart Schaefer = wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:02 PM Perry Smith = wrote: >=20 >> But the apparent hang seems rather ugly. Can others reproduce this? >=20 > Does there happen to be a Time Machine backup under > /System/Volumes/Data/ ? Time Machine plays some tricks with making > hard links to directories (normally not allowed) for reasons of space > savings, but that could put **/ into an infinite loop. pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes .timemachine Macintosh HD pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ HD .VolumeIcon.icns Users opt .file Volumes private .vol bin sbin AppleInternal cores tmp Applications dev usr Library etc var System home pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/Volumes .timemachine Macintosh HD pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ = HD/Volumes/Macintosh\ HD .VolumeIcon.icns Users opt .file Volumes private .vol bin sbin AppleInternal cores tmp Applications dev usr Library etc var System home My bad=E2=80=A6 I knew /Volumes/=E2=80=A6 would show the repeated mount = but I thought somehow magically /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes would not. That=E2=80=99s one of = the reasons I was using it as my starting point. Indeed, I wasn=E2=80=99t aware that = /System/Volumes/Data had Volumes in it. Now I need to go read zshall and find out how to do =E2=80=9Call except = =E2=80=98Volumes=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cfind=E2=80=9D must have something to detect loops? --Apple-Mail=_B45330DC-03B7-4421-A7A1-4420EB17289E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Apr 18, 2022, at 22:05, Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:

On = Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:02 PM Perry Smith <pedz@easesoftware.com> wrote:

But the apparent hang = seems rather ugly.  Can others reproduce this?

Does there happen to be a Time = Machine backup under
/System/Volumes/Data/ ?  Time = Machine plays some tricks with making
hard links to = directories (normally not allowed) for reasons of space
savings, but that could put **/ into an infinite loop.

pedz@Peace Data % ls = /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes 
.timemachine Macintosh = HD
pedz@Peace Data % ls = /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ HD 
.VolumeIcon.icns Users opt
.file = Volumes private
.vol = bin sbin
AppleInternal cores = tmp
Applications dev = usr
Library etc = var
System home
pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ = HD/Volumes 
.timemachine Macintosh HD
pedz@Peace Data % ls /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes/Macintosh\ = HD/Volumes/Macintosh\ HD 
.VolumeIcon.icns = Users = opt
.file Volumes = private
.vol bin = sbin
AppleInternal cores = tmp
Applications dev = usr
Library etc = var
System home


My bad=E2=80=A6 I knew /Volumes/=E2=80=A6= would show the repeated mount but I thought somehow
magically /System/Volumes/Data/Volumes would not. =  That=E2=80=99s one of the reasons I was
using = it as my starting point.  Indeed, I wasn=E2=80=99t aware = that /System/Volumes/Data had
Volumes in = it.

Now I need = to go read zshall and find out how to do =E2=80=9Call except = =E2=80=98Volumes=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=9Cfind=E2=80=9D must have = something to detect loops?
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