From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19542 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2022 01:27:54 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Sep 2022 01:27:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id: Mime-Version:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=nNX1eo8VvxPsTBzOtXlFa4N7ZSynFLub5MmqD1wiQrA=; b=MYAxlzKCRL44cNkUpW9VyhFB/f KMmjlb7ZCnjHdBrnVl1TXMaetG33iY5LNgsJH0TIviww1NLGUsGFbwLBXpgv1KVE+jndBXNHsM4CM +QxNOKzBDCp2hujbaqNvaUDcFJk8bzdkN/dNGRRkeFHKY3bN6B+bUZAjqHtnmuJNEWGaP3sQQOB5L pi+l0bcXCguEQU8JBDd9RW/yPPDwH/8MYBYtC75bU9T4J/ibGncpbsbn0CLw2IBjsjYI9wn+4JzZr EYlMw5tw4DDm1uxSyqhdhph9wzlZ0dLd7Kc6SwGlWr+5aDlQ7ytOhbU/6RBE3++SmWe+Gul7Mnd0z 8dj/KOaw==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1oTvTM-000Oln-I4; Fri, 02 Sep 2022 01:27:52 +0000 Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1oTvSa-000O5F-O1; Fri, 02 Sep 2022 01:27:04 +0000 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A3C27C005B; Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap48 ([10.202.2.98]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 01 Sep 2022 21:27:00 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrvdekledggeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvfevufgtgfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepnfgr fihrvghntggvpgggvghljoiiqhhuvgiiuceolhgrrhhrhihvseiishhhrdhorhhgqeenuc ggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedttefhveegtedtgfeufedutdehfeejheffffduvdeukefhteff vddthfevgeeggeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfh hrohhmpehlrghrrhihvhdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidquddu hedukeejjedtgedqudduledvjeefkeehqdhlrghrrhihvheppeiishhhrdhorhhgsehfrg hsthhmrghilhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaa214773:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6374331A0062; Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:27:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.7.0-alpha0-841-g7899e99a45-fm-20220811.002-g7899e99a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2a3b5ac0-f4f8-4c14-835a-c3d31db6d4fb@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0e8bc96d-17a7-4be2-afab-7a0fd827866f@www.fastmail.com> <5141de6b-dbee-4d4b-3b74-d95a671fa04e@luffy.cx> <33d0bd1a-4da7-416d-a92a-04ceb07d1107@www.fastmail.com> <1c9b6072-26e7-467e-b8cc-7d44f15eaf1b@www.fastmail.com> <9116efd4-7c88-4ea3-9601-9c522236fee7@www.fastmail.com> <20220831092831.GA992100@zira.vinc17.org> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 21:26:38 -0400 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Lawrence_Vel=C3=A1zquez?= To: "Ray Andrews" Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 28023 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ray Andrews wrote: > On 2022-08-31 02:28, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > >>> In short, =C2=ABzstyle ':foo:bar:*:baz' key v1 v2=C2=BB translates a= s "When >>> library foo asks for the value of key in a situation of the form >>> bar:*:baz, tell it the answer is =C2=ABv1 v2=C2=BB". >> Perhaps there should be a zsh function that translates a zstyle line >> to plain English. :-) >> > Yup.=C2=A0 Unfortunately we tend to think that experts are the ones wh= o=20 > should write > documentation, but they are unqualified.=C2=A0 They write sentences th= at explain > what they already know back to themselves.=C2=A0 It's like learning Co= ptic=20 > from a book > written in Coptic. This is common enough, but... > Only people who have just now learned something can > explain it in a way that other people who want to learn it can relate = to=20 > because > only the learner has the mind of a learner. Someone who has "just now learned something" has the shallowest possible understanding of it and can only perpetuate that shallow understanding. That is certainly all that is necessary in some contexts, but it is not true education; it is sharing tips and tricks. The ideal educator pairs a deep knowledge of their field with an equally deep sensitivity for the needs of their students. It is difficult to acquire just one of these things, let alone both, which is why great educators are few and far between. > Experts have the mind of=20 > experts. > So the above no doubt makes perfect sense to the expert who wrote it a= nd=20 > already > understands it, but is useless to me. I think this is pretty harsh toward Daniel. I have no doubt he could have written a more verbose and comprehensive explanation in a paragraph or two, but I wouldn't have been surprised if you'd objected to its wordiness. --=20 vq