newbie's question about completion

newbie's question about completion

[Dan Kenigsberg]

Assume I have an executable in my $PATH named `armadillo'.

In versions 2.5.0 and 3.0.8 I only had to type ar<TAB> to execute it.
Since ar(1) is in my path, too, zsh would beep and let me choose between ar and
armadillo.

However in versions 3.1.9 and 4.0.2, ar<TAB> expands to `ar ', and does not give
me the opportunity to choose what I wanted. I find this very annoying.

Browsing the man and searching the web for how to revert to the old behavior
did not produce the answer. Frankly, I don't know waht to search for..

I hope someone here would help me,

	Dan.

Re: newbie's question about completion

[Will Yardley]

Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
> 
> Assume I have an executable in my $PATH named `armadillo'.
> 
> In versions 2.5.0 and 3.0.8 I only had to type ar<TAB> to execute it.
> Since ar(1) is in my path, too, zsh would beep and let me choose between ar and
> armadillo.
> 
> However in versions 3.1.9 and 4.0.2, ar<TAB> expands to `ar ', and does not give
> me the opportunity to choose what I wanted. I find this very annoying.
> 
> Browsing the man and searching the web for how to revert to the old behavior
> did not produce the answer. Frankly, I don't know waht to search for..
> 
> I hope someone here would help me,

just a thought; perhaps 'autolist' is set?  does it complete and add a
space or does it sit there? if you tab again will it go to the next
match?

you might explore some of (or all of) the following options (these are
the main options i have set which pertain to completion).

complete_in_word
NO_menu_complete 
NO_auto_menu 
NO_list_beep (maybe)
bash_auto_list

if that doesn't help, you might want to include the output of:
echo $PATH
echo $ZSH_VERSION
echo SHELL

and then 'which command1' and 'which command2' (with the names of the
actual commands you're having problems with)....

and the output of:
setopt

this might be helpful to those who are more knowledgable than i and
allow them to answer your question more fully.

the behaviour you're used to is definitely possible in the newer zsh
versions (pretty much anything is....).

w

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Oliver Kiddle]

Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
> 
> Assume I have an executable in my $PATH named `armadillo'.
> 
> In versions 2.5.0 and 3.0.8 I only had to type ar<TAB> to execute it.
> Since ar(1) is in my path, too, zsh would beep and let me choose between ar and
> armadillo.
> 
> However in versions 3.1.9 and 4.0.2, ar<TAB> expands to `ar ', and does not give
> me the opportunity to choose what I wanted. I find this very annoying.
> 
> Browsing the man and searching the web for how to revert to the old behavior
> did not produce the answer. Frankly, I don't know waht to search for..

Try: unsetopt recexact

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Dan Kenigsberg]

> 
> Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
> > 
> > Assume I have an executable in my $PATH named `armadillo'.
> > 
> > In versions 2.5.0 and 3.0.8 I only had to type ar<TAB> to execute it.
> > Since ar(1) is in my path, too, zsh would beep and let me choose between ar and
> > armadillo.
> > 
> > However in versions 3.1.9 and 4.0.2, ar<TAB> expands to `ar ', and does not give
> > me the opportunity to choose what I wanted. I find this very annoying.
> > 
> > Browsing the man and searching the web for how to revert to the old behavior
> > did not produce the answer. Frankly, I don't know waht to search for..
> 
> Try: unsetopt recexact
> 

Thanks Will and Oliver. That's exactly the answer to my anguish.

Dan.

Re: newbie's question about completion

[Nadav Har'El]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about "Re: newbie's question about completion":
> > Try: unsetopt recexact
> 
> Thanks Will and Oliver. That's exactly the answer to my anguish.

Strange, I don't remember recexact being set by default on any version of
zsh... Is it perhaps the doing of your Linux distribution, in some file
like /etc/z*, /etc/profile.d/*, or something?

I've been sending bug reports to Redhat on almost every one of their
releases asking them to remove weird settings that they put in files like
/etc/zshrc which override's Zsh's standard defaults and confuse people
who read the manual. In Redhat 7.2, for example, they put "bindkey -e" in
/etc/zshrc. This is useless because emacs mode is the default mode anyway -
but ruins the vi default for people who set VISUAL=vi (as explained in
the zsh manual). After I reported this "bug", they said they'll remove this
setting in the next release.

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Dan Kenigsberg]

> 
> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about "Re: newbie's question about completion":
> > > Try: unsetopt recexact
> > 
> > Thanks Will and Oliver. That's exactly the answer to my anguish.
> 
> Strange, I don't remember recexact being set by default on any version of
> zsh... Is it perhaps the doing of your Linux distribution, in some file
> like /etc/z*, /etc/profile.d/*, or something?
> 

This is SuSe 7.0 that has setopt recexact in its /etc/zshrc (arghhh).
My problem had nothing to do with zsh versions..

Recently, I found a truer "bug" in SuSe's startup files: /etc/profile
sets alias ls='eval /bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS'.
Appart of the question whether it is sensible to expand $LS_OPTIONS every time
you do ls, this distroys arguments with spaces. (confession: I do not fully
understand why)
Anyway, my solution for that was alias ls='ls `echo $LS_OPTIONS`'.


Dan.

(Nadav, it seems I'm following you everywhere..)

Re: newbie's question about completion

[Nadav Har'El]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about "Re: newbie's question about completion":
> This is SuSe 7.0 that has setopt recexact in its /etc/zshrc (arghhh).
> My problem had nothing to do with zsh versions..

I don't understand why distributions do this... Zsh has a set of defaults
and these are clearly explained in the manual; If a distribution overrides
this default, it leaves the user clueless why the behavior described in
the manual is not happening. And why do they think that their defaults
make more sense than the defaults decided upon by the zsh developers?

I recommend you send a bug report to SuSe and ask them to remove this
silly setting.

> Recently, I found a truer "bug" in SuSe's startup files: /etc/profile
> sets alias ls='eval /bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS'.
> Appart of the question whether it is sensible to expand $LS_OPTIONS every time
> you do ls, this distroys arguments with spaces. (confession: I do not fully
> understand why)

The "eval" indeed reparses the whole line and rebreaks it on spaces ($IFS,
actually)... What they probably meant to do was to only break LS_OPTIONS,
in which case they should do

	alias ls='\ls ${=LS_OPTIONS}'

(the ${=...} enables SH_WORD_SPLIT for this time only - see the zsh manual.
the \ls is used instead of /bin/ls to find ls wherever it is - not necessarily
/bin).

Of course, this solution works only in zsh, so it should be placed in
/etc/zprofile, not /etc/profile. Or use the solution you described which
works on any Bourne-like shell.

> (Nadav, it seems I'm following you everywhere..)

Don't you know that I subscribe to every mailing list in existance? :)

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Vincent Lefevre]

In article <20011108143515.A14099@leeor.math.technion.ac.il>,
   Nadav Har'El <nyh@math.technion.ac.il> wrote:

> I don't understand why distributions do this... Zsh has a set of defaults
> and these are clearly explained in the manual; If a distribution overrides
> this default, it leaves the user clueless why the behavior described in
> the manual is not happening.

I entirely agree. Sometimes, this is worse, as things in /etc/zshrc
override the user's settings in his ~/.zshenv! For instance, in
SuSE 7.2, /etc/profile is sourced in /etc/zshrc, and this overrides
the path the user has set in his zshenv. Really annoying...

> And why do they think that their defaults make more sense than the defaults
> decided upon by the zsh developers?

Or perhaps zsh's default should be not to source the system files,
perhaps except /etc/zshenv?

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Peter Stephenson]

(Sorry, this will appear twice on zsh-workers since I originally sent in there,
when it should obviously go to zsh-users.)

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Or perhaps zsh's default should be not to source the system files,
> perhaps except /etc/zshenv?

You can get this effect by `setopt noglobalrcs' in .zshenv.

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 13:56:20 +0000, Peter Stephenson wrote:
> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Or perhaps zsh's default should be not to source the system files,
> > perhaps except /etc/zshenv?
> 
> You can get this effect by `setopt noglobalrcs' in .zshenv.

I wanted to say that it could be the *default*. I don't know if this
is a good idea or not...

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Re: newbie's question about completion

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> [Nov 08. 2001 14:56]:
> In article <20011108143515.A14099@leeor.math.technion.ac.il>,
>    Nadav Har'El <nyh@math.technion.ac.il> wrote:
> 
> > I don't understand why distributions do this... Zsh has a set of defaults
> > and these are clearly explained in the manual; If a distribution overrides
> > this default, it leaves the user clueless why the behavior described in
> > the manual is not happening.
> 
> I entirely agree. Sometimes, this is worse, as things in /etc/zshrc
> override the user's settings in his ~/.zshenv! For instance, in
> SuSE 7.2, /etc/profile is sourced in /etc/zshrc, and this overrides
> the path the user has set in his zshenv. Really annoying...

That have been fixed :-)

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