From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4ceb08e8 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20274 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 2019 13:34:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 24275 Received: (qmail 29755 invoked by uid 1010); 20 Sep 2019 13:34:19 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.101.2/25573. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(66.111.4.25):SA:0(-2.6/5.0):. Processed in 3.993816 secs); 20 Sep 2019 13:34:19 -0000 X-Envelope-From: d.s@daniel.shahaf.name X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: none (ns1.primenet.com.au: domain at daniel.shahaf.name does not designate permitted sender hosts) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= daniel.shahaf.name; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to :references:date:from:to:subject:content-type; s=fm1; bh=rlR8PEo BRhcBsj6yyNseG5pClJbqsm5rQ3F1wBUPDEg=; b=Zhl5OKZtJc6f7RWWtm0Af9O /yrpicKzdyxQdRq0e0EW3Vv3vJkW7kssFho7AbhRSj7kCAoj3rBbbXZdJcEpkXKs tmoOvCTFMW271sZQ8g/g4nZoewRvlgy5nO5yEt3EuPLkQwUDw5rSLqqD/lM3rY/z uI9zgaHLzcdtuX251bYMcHY+HfM1WwUF1Gdvcjkf0ZaWNVLzFJq8mL/dcC/3lTWS REEEKouL/ugd3RUhUKeu2nTS+8VDK66/Jbk2W4pxA0aofgxAsdzUDu7d25RoW78L wErYljYCsFWYmR7XtdlHUUpXvvQyh/1Z4QbSFfPsqiA7okYXqT5N1B1tDUHLPCw= = DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=rlR8PE oBRhcBsj6yyNseG5pClJbqsm5rQ3F1wBUPDEg=; b=ItSXvA5DHbGD/1qLthMD1w 1vlKpGjJ6LakQyCl4180W+1avEL3Ow70oVI3NFkWxNr7wQMsCcEEc6FSGAfJLY80 YM5lqrPzxqZtp5GLPGmb4SMDQE2kKEXLryP5SDWcUdXRQbFNuuLLtetaC5WzkCVV 6iB2PXPsrCCGpJGeUauCZSlwc/LEfFnPUpT4OiJuKiIQMWrdJDaes9XL7wU6uDhH 52A4aiFkLlmRMIVtwW31DwtTxuV0MFeMLOL4WYUaWCYAuSfbKugFjM8BzEAQ9Sfp z70sPcU1328wPuE9SjG7jJwWlCLPnqvqWCjdtLRX3jEIao5Cmh6ScrExrDRk5+Cw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvddvgdeihecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfffgrnhhi vghlucfuhhgrhhgrfhdfuceougdrshesuggrnhhivghlrdhshhgrhhgrfhdrnhgrmhgvqe enucffohhmrghinhepohhpvghnshhouhhrtggvrdgtohhmnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhl fhhrohhmpegurdhssegurghnihgvlhdrshhhrghhrghfrdhnrghmvgenucevlhhushhtvg hrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-238-g170a812-fmstable-20190913v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <48dbc01e-78ad-4919-956e-556cd8df9598@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7a681972-e690-a800-306f-182cd686030d@inlv.org> <5349aa4a-299f-76dd-01a1-a4e9e99d7191@eastlink.ca> <740d5b56-50df-4eb7-afa7-dc0d73000817@www.fastmail.com> <695ca696-d705-623e-47a3-22f936ffa10e@eastlink.ca> <3460eeb5-09e1-48fb-8168-5da417fd744b@www.fastmail.com> <63509007-0773-58c7-7707-147b212ee459@eastlink.ca> <00dc62c7-81f0-636d-5373-40138c3befa6@eastlink.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:33:18 +0000 From: "Daniel Shahaf" To: "TJ Luoma" , "Zsh MailingList" Subject: Re: Opensource.com Zsh article Content-Type: text/plain TJ Luoma wrote on Fri, 20 Sep 2019 01:01 +00:00: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 8:07 PM Ray Andrews wrote: > > > No malice it's just that you can't imagine Tim Cook asking you guys for permission to change > > something. I wonder how that would play out. > > The history of Apple's previous interactions with open source projects > would suggest this is unlikely. > > KHTML is probably the biggest example, and they contributed to it for > awhile, but when they wanted to make their own version they forked it > and gave it a different name (WebKit). To elaborate on that: if Alice maintains an open source product and Bob forks it, trademarks law requires that Bob rename the product before he may distribute it.