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boundary="------------OYubej9QwHEtRLjn0ry3FWR7" Message-id: <4a91170a-3da1-4553-b60d-432b2769ad3d@eastlink.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:12:13 -0800 MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Fwd: more splitting travails Content-language: en-US To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: <205735b2-11e1-4b5e-baa2-7418753f591f@eastlink.ca> From: Ray Andrews In-reply-to: X-Seq: 29456 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------OYubej9QwHEtRLjn0ry3FWR7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2024-01-12 12:50, Roman Perepelitsa wrote: > Forgetting basic tools that you can use to understand your own code is > making your life a lot more difficult than it could otherwise be. It > might be a good idea to print it on a piece of paper and stick to a > wall. Or find some other way to stop stepping on the same rake over > and over. That's deserved.  I tend to see these things in the heat of some battle and I remember that there IS a way, but can't remember what it is.  Also I play with zsh in binges -- I can go a year without touching her, and I forget a whole lot that was only tenuously learned.  BTW, how does one search the archives?  I'd look there first, especially when I clearly remember that I had some issue before even if I don't remember how it resolved.   Just googling I often come across one of my own posts but a direct search in the archives would be best.  Meantime I'll have 'typeset -p' tattooed onto the back of my hand. --------------OYubej9QwHEtRLjn0ry3FWR7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 2024-01-12 12:50, Roman Perepelitsa wrote:
Forgetting basic tools that you can use to understand your own code is
making your life a lot more difficult than it could otherwise be. It
might be a good idea to print it on a piece of paper and stick to a
wall. Or find some other way to stop stepping on the same rake over
and over.

That's deserved.  I tend to see these things in the heat of some battle and I remember that there IS a way, but can't remember what it is.  Also I play with zsh in binges -- I can go a year without touching her, and I forget a whole lot that was only tenuously learned.  BTW, how does one search the archives?  I'd look there first, especially when I clearly remember that I had some issue before even if I don't remember how it resolved.   Just googling I often come across one of my own posts but a direct search in the archives would be best.  Meantime I'll have 'typeset -p' tattooed onto the back of my hand.



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