From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28363 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2023 19:55:02 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Oct 2023 19:55:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Type:Subject:To:From:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=cbzDNsEBiMOIGywNH3IU87lvA9WFyexQg/SJjSW1SoQ=; b=b6o8G/3Acj0nNb4+MJQDXli8Cl 33DPorUMsU4cUA5Fo96nCJSlJBrSTxk5R+5XWGfbdSTtC9DzmMUmSsitf6iWXoisROnciwNljJ2L7 lrnYDFMB1+KX+PG0KK7wqI0QUzbtVCIMF5QDGQ+oXWwRhrlzZaQKm3n9ttsk9dZJsU1KL6erEqlyG 7u0CuMpf3uBRZ9vE0AK8sLnmgr7jWbBG/08U+ukcTN9gfQJZeBxgn1oysmYQbW2Inh49Q4+RN1gU/ P9KEibzOsjTLD5WVKbld6eXa7bGvIvjjbzHNcyx4jSPuIxcnzHcNtL47t4aMxcr/WOMFeO7TQ94iQ oyYB0qnA==; Received: by zero.zsh.org with local id 1qqIol-0000LD-0N; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 19:54:59 +0000 Received: by zero.zsh.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1qqIne-000Pg6-2y; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 19:53:50 +0000 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B8827C0054 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap48 ([10.202.2.98]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:53:48 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrheehgddugedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpefnrgifrhgvnhgtvgcugggvlhojiihquhgviicuoehlrghr rhihvhesiihshhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieelveehfefghfffieehtd eigedvgfekffetjefgteeltdeivdeivdetueekgeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgep tdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgrrhhrhihvodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthh hpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdduudehudekjeejtdegqdduudelvdejfeekhedqlhgrrhhr hihvpeepiihshhdrohhrghesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iaa214773:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3AC5A31A0064; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:53:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1019-ged83ad8595-fm-20231002.001-ged83ad85 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4da0b0d7-dc77-4e8f-b042-2644d5e00475@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2105981086.731146.1696937246536@mail.virginmedia.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:53:18 -0400 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Lawrence_Vel=C3=A1zquez?= To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Default setting of ZLE keymap Content-Type: text/plain X-Seq: 29282 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Tue, Oct 10, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Vadim Zeitlin wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 12:27:26 +0100 (BST) Peter Stephenson > wrote: > > PS> > On 07/10/2023 22:13 Bart Schaefer wrote: > PS> > (1) The whole scheme of using VISUAL / EDITOR to select zsh bindings > PS> > should be abandoned. It's obsolete and no one uses those variables > PS> > for that purpose any longer. Zsh should default to emacs behavior > PS> > unless an rc-file explicitly performs "bindkey -v". > PS> > > PS> > Throwing the question out to a wider audience: If the zsh-users list > PS> > expresses no particular preference, or no need for #2, zsh-workers > PS> > will proceed with #1. I make use of the current behavior but am not attached to it and don't have a preference between options #1 and #2. > Still, I'm not sure how does "nobody uses EDITOR any longer" imply that > zsh shouldn't select the default bindings if it is set I read "no one uses [VISUAL/EDITOR] for that purpose any longer" as meaning "no one uses them to select zsh bindings", not "no one uses them at all". As Eric and Peter noted, the current behavior can be confusing. (It's certainly tripped me up before.) -- vq