From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11244 invoked by alias); 27 Oct 2012 18:14:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 17359 Received: (qmail 14286 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2012 18:14:33 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _spf.eastlink.ca designates 24.224.136.10 as permitted sender) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Qa8dTrnv c=1 sm=1 a=sgO5gNtQRqEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=st7NpWpZ78UA:10 a=razKvyjoj2oSuTkOwd4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NegIDvY9TGqYU_2o:21 a=ZVrvmkvYJ2jqYEz_:21 a=k1w2ZutsjhWYawe+LO1aOw==:117 Message-id: <508C2485.9030005@eastlink.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:14:29 -0700 From: Ray Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: change inside References: <121027104249.ZM8389@torch.brasslantern.com> In-reply-to: <121027104249.ZM8389@torch.brasslantern.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 27/10/12 10:42 AM, Bart Schaefer wrote: > I won't attempt to assert that this still *is* the philosophy, because > ever since zsh stopped being interesting as a project for university > computer science students to hack on, we've had a hard time finding > enough volunteer programmers to change much of anything, How sad, and how difficult to understand. I'm still only using zsh in the most superficial way, and my opinion of it vs. bash isn't worth very much, but for whatever it is worth, I find the bash shell, as it comes ROOTB to be so crippled and horrible and useless as to be almost sadistic. So awful as to drive me right back to DOS, where I had the sublime elegance of 4DOS to work with. I turned to zsh in sheer desperation. It too is rather crippled ROOTB, but it seemed much easier to get to the point where it is a pleasure to use, and now I can't imagine going back to bash. This being so, I don't understand how it might be that keeping zsh brightly polished would *not* be seen as one of the most important tasks in the 'nix world and I would have guessed that there would be hundreds of guys working on it.