From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11538 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 2013 20:24:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 18258 Received: (qmail 9391 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2013 20:24:42 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Xr3DZz19 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=wM4G0Z56LpoPhvvVp1hiTg==:117 a=wM4G0Z56LpoPhvvVp1hiTg==:17 a=EM0ifYTnZ9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=og8RhBKwAX4A:10 a=XIJrMzK3XashGDGvGyIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-id: <52BC897D.7040606@eastlink.ca> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:54:37 -0800 From: Ray Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Expanding quotes References: <131217102648.ZM8656@torch.brasslantern.com> <131223111515.ZM31989@torch.brasslantern.com> <52B9A47B.7050009@eastlink.ca> <52B9C1E9.2050000@eastlink.ca> In-reply-to: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 26/12/13 06:50 AM, Yuri D'Elia wrote: > On 12/24/2013 06:18 PM, Ray Andrews wrote: >> I prefer simplicity with some resulting limitations on what can be done, >> over complicated efforts to do 'anything'. It's just as Bart said, some >> issues are better left 'unsolved'. The solution could be worse than the >> problem. I think back to my DOS days, where almost all of the 'special' >> characters were reserved--it sure made things simpler. > I think you're conflating the text UI of a shell, the filesystem and the > shell language itself as part of the same issue. Yes, taken together, I > do agree that from my user point of view it's definitely inconvenient > and the interaction is not ideal. However, I would gladly prefer a shell > solution than "fixing" what's clearly not broken: the filesystem. You're right, I'm looking at this as one collective issue. But IMHO the thing that is broken is to permit things like double quotes in a filename at all. From what I understand, POSIX does not allow it, but maybe I misunderstand. Anyway, if somehow zsh can learn to live with this sort of thing, then so be it, but I think the task should not be asked. Perhaps some switch or flag of some sort could be added to indicate: "I have quotes in filenames here ... God be with you." Anyway, that's how it looks to me, maybe I'm wrong.