From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20576 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2014 01:35:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 18759 Received: (qmail 20672 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2014 01:35:09 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Xr3DZz19 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=n/WTZbh1FpPaMOeipeXWdg==:117 a=n/WTZbh1FpPaMOeipeXWdg==:17 a=4bV_df75LxsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=0hH6wJrisBGA6UaDWzIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Message-id: <5358635D.1060300@eastlink.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:05:33 -0700 From: Ray Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.3.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: zsh-newuser-install References: <140416102727.ZM19090@torch.brasslantern.com> <534FE710.3020601@eastlink.ca> <140417123722.ZM22179@torch.brasslantern.com> <20140423165024.1480528a@pws-pc.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <20140423165024.1480528a@pws-pc.ntlworld.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 04/23/2014 08:50 AM, Peter Stephenson wrote: > There's certainly plenty that could be added here --- enough that > nothing's likely to happen unless we get some solid feedback... Glad to see that there's openness to change with this. I think most shell users are veterans, so have long since gotten past the agonies of being a newbie. Mind, that's true with most of the CLI stuff--most of it is hoary with age and horribly unfriendly. That's all the more reason to re-think stuff tho. A more welcoming command line would help pull folks away from the GUI/slave mentality and turn them into 'real' Linux users. Anyway, other folks may have had an easier time of it, but, as I said, my own first experiences with bash/zsh were sadistic. What would have made a huge difference is knowing what were/are the 'correct' sources of information--the 'official' manual, the official web site, recommended reading, etc.