From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16963 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2015 19:51:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 19663 Received: (qmail 1711 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2015 19:51:08 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=X+5rdgje c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=HOv8TPlFSS3eFj132gCofQ==:117 a=HOv8TPlFSS3eFj132gCofQ==:17 a=Hpgzp-inWqAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=asWo_369AAAA:8 a=lOzdwwzSAAAA:8 a=ksaoV5njLLUnvPf1jbgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Message-id: <54A6F6A8.4080209@eastlink.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 11:51:04 -0800 From: Ray Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.3.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Out of the box References: <87zja1f317.fsf@ft.bewatermyfriend.org> In-reply-to: <87zja1f317.fsf@ft.bewatermyfriend.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 01/02/2015 10:31 AM, Frank Terbeck wrote: > Lloyd wrote: > > It got me wondering if there are any Unix or Linux distributions that > exceed expectations with zsh configured out of the box? If you find one, please let me know, I'll send them a donation and a box of chocolates. About 15 years ago, when I got my first Linux distro actually working (Slackware), there I am at my first prompt (bash of course). So I try to use it, and find it's so primitive that DOS/command.com is luxurious by comparison. Even DOS gives you command recall by default. After a few hours of retyping commands over and over again, I gave up in disgust and went back to DOS/Windows for 10 more years :-( > Personally, I think that vendors should not screw too much with the > default setup of a program system-wide; not even mentioning the large > blobs of configuration that newbie's don't have a chance to debug in > case something fails. > > That's being said, I'm one of the guys who help with the zsh confi- > guration of the grml Linux live distribution, that you can find at: > > http://grml.org/zsh/ And what a fine thing the zsh configurator is, it at least gets you off the ground. > It's a massive setup and I think for the use of a live installation, > that's fine. I still stand firm of the issue of handing large setups to > absolute beginners, for the reason I gave above. > But couldn't we at least have history recall by default? It is very nice that if no .zshrc is found the configurator starts by default, by why not offer an option in the main menu: (z) Configure zsh with some basic, safe settings that almost everyone wants. If you're unsure what to to, just try this. Remember, you can always run " (some easy way of rerunning zsh-newuser-install)" again to change these settings, so don't worry, you aren't going to break anything.