* Out of the box @ 2015-01-02 18:16 Lloyd 2015-01-02 18:31 ` Frank Terbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Lloyd @ 2015-01-02 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users Happy new year! I was setting up a new apple computer recently and I was disappointed that zsh still comes completely unconfigured, ex defaults to no history. It got me wondering if there are any Unix or Linux distributions that exceed expectations with zsh configured out of the box? Thank you, -- I can't grow without light, Lloyd http://foolswisdom.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of the box 2015-01-02 18:16 Out of the box Lloyd @ 2015-01-02 18:31 ` Frank Terbeck 2015-01-02 19:51 ` Ray Andrews 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Frank Terbeck @ 2015-01-02 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lloyd; +Cc: zsh-users Lloyd wrote: > Happy new year! I was setting up a new apple computer recently and I > was disappointed that zsh still comes completely unconfigured, ex > defaults to no history. Indeed, zsh's defaults are pretty bare bones unconfigured and that's largely due to the wish not to break existing setups. Zsh does contain a setup wizard, that should help with initial setup in case you don't have a setup in ‘~/.zshrc’ upon the first invocation of the shell. > It got me wondering if there are any Unix or Linux distributions that > exceed expectations with zsh configured out of the box? Personally, I think that vendors should not screw too much with the default setup of a program system-wide; not even mentioning the large blobs of configuration that newbie's don't have a chance to debug in case something fails. That's being said, I'm one of the guys who help with the zsh confi- guration of the grml Linux live distribution, that you can find at: http://grml.org/zsh/ It's a massive setup and I think for the use of a live installation, that's fine. I still stand firm of the issue of handing large setups to absolute beginners, for the reason I gave above. Regards, Frank -- In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- RFC 1925 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of the box 2015-01-02 18:31 ` Frank Terbeck @ 2015-01-02 19:51 ` Ray Andrews 2015-01-02 20:49 ` Eric Cook 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Ray Andrews @ 2015-01-02 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 01/02/2015 10:31 AM, Frank Terbeck wrote: > Lloyd wrote: > > It got me wondering if there are any Unix or Linux distributions that > exceed expectations with zsh configured out of the box? If you find one, please let me know, I'll send them a donation and a box of chocolates. <anecdote> About 15 years ago, when I got my first Linux distro actually working (Slackware), there I am at my first prompt (bash of course). So I try to use it, and find it's so primitive that DOS/command.com is luxurious by comparison. Even DOS gives you command recall by default. After a few hours of retyping commands over and over again, I gave up in disgust and went back to DOS/Windows for 10 more years :-( </> > Personally, I think that vendors should not screw too much with the > default setup of a program system-wide; not even mentioning the large > blobs of configuration that newbie's don't have a chance to debug in > case something fails. > > That's being said, I'm one of the guys who help with the zsh confi- > guration of the grml Linux live distribution, that you can find at: > > http://grml.org/zsh/ And what a fine thing the zsh configurator is, it at least gets you off the ground. > It's a massive setup and I think for the use of a live installation, > that's fine. I still stand firm of the issue of handing large setups to > absolute beginners, for the reason I gave above. > But couldn't we at least have history recall by default? It is very nice that if no .zshrc is found the configurator starts by default, by why not offer an option in the main menu: (z) Configure zsh with some basic, safe settings that almost everyone wants. If you're unsure what to to, just try this. Remember, you can always run " (some easy way of rerunning zsh-newuser-install)" again to change these settings, so don't worry, you aren't going to break anything. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of the box 2015-01-02 19:51 ` Ray Andrews @ 2015-01-02 20:49 ` Eric Cook 2015-01-02 21:26 ` Ray Andrews 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Eric Cook @ 2015-01-02 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 01/02/2015 02:51 PM, Ray Andrews wrote: > > (z) Configure zsh with some basic, safe settings that almost > everyone wants. If you're unsure what to to, just try this. Remember, > you can always run " (some easy way of rerunning zsh-newuser-install)" > again to change these settings, so don't worry, you aren't going to > break anything. > > There was a discussion[1] on improving zsh-newuser-install last year that you were a part of. They seemed opened to the idea, but no one with enough interest stepped up to improve it. [1] http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2014/msg00492.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of the box 2015-01-02 20:49 ` Eric Cook @ 2015-01-02 21:26 ` Ray Andrews 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Ray Andrews @ 2015-01-02 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: zsh-users On 01/02/2015 12:49 PM, Eric Cook wrote: > On 01/02/2015 02:51 PM, Ray Andrews wrote: >> (z) Configure zsh with some basic, safe settings that almost >> everyone wants. If you're unsure what to to, just try this. Remember, >> you can always run " (some easy way of rerunning zsh-newuser-install)" >> again to change these settings, so don't worry, you aren't going to >> break anything. >> >> > There was a discussion[1] on improving zsh-newuser-install last year > that you were a part of. They seemed opened to the idea, but no one with > enough interest stepped up to improve it. > > [1] http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2014/msg00492.html Well, then, and now (still) I'm not competent to change it, but I'd be happy to help with text if anyone was willing to give it a go. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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