From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27084 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 2016 16:35:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 22169 Received: (qmail 22057 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2016 16:35:11 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.99.2/21882. spamassassin: 3.4.1. Clear:RC:0(212.82.97.8):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. 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OWpaxdnsoKXKYzPXlOIg76ewt.OYyqsUm2dWBNB3uDFZzo8Y3gQcqPOXUE7p 7k1XVeK1TXDnJnMquF2ej3pPtBQZhVSTE977Q_IuDqr7bWG8vtRyaRM10Yej Jx51HltXfy6bwCq7rcRzlQCRX5LmKsTXlQ6vvQn_h X-Yahoo-SMTP: opAkk_CswBAce_kJ3nIPlH80cJI- cc: zsh-users@zsh.org In-reply-to: <584AC8AC.9050406@eastlink.ca> From: Oliver Kiddle References: <20161209122958.GD19559@256bit.org> <57127.1481294647@hydra.kiddle.eu> <584AC8AC.9050406@eastlink.ca> To: Ray Andrews Subject: Re: off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <62521.1481300922.1@hydra.kiddle.eu> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: <62522.1481300922@hydra.kiddle.eu> Ray Andrews wrote: > Ignore this as appropriate gentlemen, but for anyone who feels like > answering, what is the culture vis. oh-my-zsh? I get a vague feeling > that the members of this list view is as something strange and alien or > even heretical. It seems to be something 'else' -- oh-my-zsh users It hasn't really been discussed so I can only give my own perspective. They've done a great job of promoting zsh and making some of the nicer features available to people who don't want to work out how to configure them. Those are perhaps areas where we've been weak. If someone posts here with a problem, it can make it a lot harder to determine the cause. It means they have a complex setup which they don't understand themself and some combination of plugins could be interacting in odd ways. So to some extent it is something 'else' but that something else is still a layer on top of zsh so not removed from us. > never come here and we never go there. As for me, when I was first > getting involved I tried it and, notwithstanding that I had no idea what > I was doing, I found it to be a candy store sort of thing and preferred > the honest brutality of trying to get plain vanilla zsh working. Thoughts? Run zsh -f without reading any documentation (just some bash/tcsh experience) and there's little apart from perhaps alwayslastprompt that will stand out as different and clearly better than bash. oh-my-zsh just adding compinit, vcs_info, syntax highlighting and the small collection of styles for descriptions and grouping in completion listings makes a big difference to people's impressions. If I look beyond that and the zillions of prompt themes, it surprises me how little there is there that looks interesting. Many of the plugins are just aliases which are no good to you if you don't actually learn them. Or if you don't use the software they cover - e.g. they seem to have a lot of stuff for ruby on rails developers. There's clear advantages to having a powerful setup that you understand well. If that process now involves "brutality" then you can understand why people might be be happy to just take what they get with oh-my-zsh: and I don't view that as heresy. Oliver