From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1862 invoked by alias); 26 Feb 2017 18:03:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 22508 Received: (qmail 29214 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2017 18:03:44 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mta03.eastlink.ca by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.99.2/21882. spamassassin: 3.4.1. Clear:RC:0(24.224.136.9):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 0.735718 secs); 26 Feb 2017 18:03:44 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Envelope-From: rayandrews@eastlink.ca X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _spf.eastlink.ca designates 24.224.136.9 as permitted sender) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=DOfN2GFb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Eh75Xyg/TJcitwHJr8/llA==:117 a=Eh75Xyg/TJcitwHJr8/llA==:17 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=Lv_3MYdhyX_Z40toy2sA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-EL-IP-NOAUTH: 24.207.19.183 Subject: Re: bash conversion trouble. To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: <004ec4f2-3b3a-8907-86a6-4326399783aa@eastlink.ca> <170224204153.ZM19840@torch.brasslantern.com> <6f722b8f-a712-985f-65e8-3b03a5b352c3@eastlink.ca> <170225075521.ZM22115@torch.brasslantern.com> <32f48d32-2b11-045e-5925-8f112783f1e2@eastlink.ca> <170225090218.ZM22334@torch.brasslantern.com> <170225120927.ZM22787@torch.brasslantern.com> <34e05410-7940-aa48-2c35-1302b915f713@eastlink.ca> <170226091941.ZM14996@torch.brasslantern.com> From: Ray Andrews Message-id: <70cf4e82-ff54-8a7a-17a6-993d841a98dc@eastlink.ca> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 10:03:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.6.0 MIME-version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <170226091941.ZM14996@torch.brasslantern.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 26/02/17 09:19 AM, Bart Schaefer wrote: > The goals were not at all similar. Bash was an effort to re-create the > Bourne shell under the GPL; zsh was an effort to introduce structured > shell language and scripting to csh users. Most interesting. An insight like that will explain much. I presumed bash to be no more than the natural evolution of sh and zsh to be more or less the same, with no particular nod to csh. I know that ksh was a truly separate project. Is there a brief history of shells that one might read? Anyway, I always took differences between zsh and bash to be 'deliberate' if that's the right word -- gorillas making a very definite point of not being orange. Thus my original question and now I see what you were getting at as far as gorillas.