From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id bd13b9dc for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 22:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23238 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 2019 22:38:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 24264 Received: (qmail 4895 invoked by uid 1010); 18 Sep 2019 22:38:11 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from kahlil.inlv.org by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.101.2/25573. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(37.59.109.123):SA:0(-1.9/5.0):. Processed in 2.565375 secs); 18 Sep 2019 22:38:11 -0000 X-Envelope-From: martijn@inlv.org X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: none (ns1.primenet.com.au: domain at inlv.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) Subject: Re: Opensource.com Zsh article To: zsh-users@zsh.org References: From: Martijn Dekker Message-ID: <7a681972-e690-a800-306f-182cd686030d@inlv.org> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 23:37:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Op 18-09-19 om 18:06 schreef Ray Andrews: > On 2019-09-17 5:39 p.m., TJ Luoma wrote: >> https://scriptingosx.com/moving-to-zsh/ > > It astonishes me that the reason for the switch is claimed to be a > licensing version detail. There's nothing astonishing about that. It's been well known for years that Apple won't touch the GPLv3 with a ten foot pole. That's why all the GNU stuff in macOS is stuck on the last GPLv2 versions, which are all really old now, so they're slowly replacing it all. > I understand that there's no one left in the > cockpit at bash, would that not be a better reason? What makes you think that? If you read through the bug-bash list it's pretty obvious that Chet is still firmly in charge and actively developing bash as always. It had a new major 5.0 release fairly recently as well, which make it run scripts quite a lot faster. > Even now I can't > quite accept that something as essential to computing as the shell > should be treated so casually.  So it's zsh from now on, but even then > all this will rest on the shoulders of our few intrepid volunteers? Apple has plenty of in-house manpower and expertise to take over zsh development if the need should ever arise. They've done that sort of thing before (CUPS comes to mind). Meanwhile perhaps they'll contribute. - M. -- modernish -- harness the shell https://github.com/modernish/modernish