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From: Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca>
To: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:32:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <814d3c4c-bda5-85c0-46bb-6d33f2ae8c29@eastlink.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2a3b5ac0-f4f8-4c14-835a-c3d31db6d4fb@www.fastmail.com>

On 2022-09-01 18:26, Lawrence Velázquez wrote:
>
> Someone who has "just now learned something" has the shallowest
> possible understanding of it and can only perpetuate that shallow
> understanding.  That is certainly all that is necessary in some
> contexts, but it is not true education; it is sharing tips and
> tricks.
Of course.  But when  you just want to get something done and do not want
to be overwhelmed with all possible knowledge, the former is better.  
It's no
replacement for deep study, it's purpose it different.  When I first 
tried to
build zsh I was overwhelmed by documentation that covered all possible
worlds.  When I finally got it done -- with much help -- I wrote out what
worked for me in a half a page and even Peter said it was good.  It could
serve as an anecdote: 'try this'.  Two or three anecdotes and probably 90%
of situations would be covered and almost painlessly.  If you really need to
be inducted into the deeper mysteries then that's different, you will be
expecting to suffer and you will suffer.
>
> The ideal educator pairs a deep knowledge of their field with an
> equally deep sensitivity for the needs of their students.  It is
> difficult to acquire just one of these things, let alone both, which
> is why great educators are few and far between.

Too true.
>
> I think this is pretty harsh toward Daniel.
I wasn't thinking of Daniel.  I'm making a generalization. Mind ...

> I have no doubt he
> could have written a more verbose and comprehensive explanation in
> a paragraph or two, but I wouldn't have been surprised if you'd
> objected to its wordiness.

Nope, a paragraph or two would be just what I'd look for. Actually, as 
he explained it
in a single sentence, that would be just fine.  And I'm not throwing 
stones either --
I'm every bit as bad documenting my own code.  I, too, would need 
someone else
to read it, and document it cuz I am disabled by already understanding it.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-02 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-27  4:30 Felipe Contreras
2022-08-27 16:10 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-27 19:32   ` Vincent Bernat
2022-08-27 20:04     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-08-27 23:53       ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28  7:53         ` zzapper
2022-08-28 10:30         ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-28 13:59           ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28 18:29             ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-31  9:28               ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-08-31 14:17                 ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-01 21:52                   ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02  1:41                     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02  1:26                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02  1:49                     ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02  5:40                       ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-02  7:38                         ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02 10:36                       ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 14:26                         ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-04  7:13                           ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 16:30                             ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-02 10:39                       ` [PATCH] zstyle: Correct and expand docs (was: Re: Most minimal configuration challenge) Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 15:05                         ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-04  6:51                           ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 13:55                       ` Most minimal configuration challenge Ray Andrews
2022-09-04  7:21                         ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-04 16:34                           ` Ray Andrews
2022-09-02 13:32                     ` Ray Andrews [this message]
2022-09-04  7:28                       ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02  9:53                   ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02  9:26                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-02 14:44                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-04  6:42                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-05  9:47                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2022-09-12  8:59                         ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-08-28 18:58             ` Bart Schaefer
2022-08-28 19:23               ` Felipe Contreras
2022-08-28 19:35               ` Ray Andrews
2022-08-28 18:57   ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-02  1:36 ` Vincent Lefevre

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