From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23052 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2015 18:33:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 19661 Received: (qmail 8786 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2015 18:33:21 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 From: Frank Terbeck To: Lloyd Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org Subject: Re: Out of the box In-Reply-To: (Lloyd's message of "Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:16:19 -0800") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.51 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:31:00 +0100 Message-ID: <87zja1f317.fsf@ft.bewatermyfriend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Df-Sender: NDMwNDQ0 Lloyd wrote: > Happy new year! I was setting up a new apple computer recently and I > was disappointed that zsh still comes completely unconfigured, ex > defaults to no history. Indeed, zsh's defaults are pretty bare bones unconfigured and that's largely due to the wish not to break existing setups. Zsh does contain a setup wizard, that should help with initial setup in case you don't have a setup in =E2=80=98~/.zshrc=E2=80=99 upon the first invocation of the shel= l. > It got me wondering if there are any Unix or Linux distributions that > exceed expectations with zsh configured out of the box? Personally, I think that vendors should not screw too much with the default setup of a program system-wide; not even mentioning the large blobs of configuration that newbie's don't have a chance to debug in case something fails. That's being said, I'm one of the guys who help with the zsh confi- guration of the grml Linux live distribution, that you can find at: http://grml.org/zsh/ It's a massive setup and I think for the use of a live installation, that's fine. I still stand firm of the issue of handing large setups to absolute beginners, for the reason I gave above. Regards, Frank --=20 In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- RFC 1925