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From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@gmail.com>
To: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: Empty element elision and associative arrays (was Re: Slurping a file)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 12:36:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA=-s3xNVyeC6+TVjKx9J003qzUF0j9EqbA2ffvMpwSFRHBHpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0eb11a38-f94a-4289-babd-c9787787efbf@eastlink.ca>

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:22 PM Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Seems to me to be the sort of thing that can't possibly have any gotchas.


I'm not saying it would introduce gotchas. I don't think anyone's writing
code that would break if assoc arrays were suddenly sorted. :)

I'm saying that if zsh changed to keep its associative arrays in sorted
order, and then you wrote a zsh program that *relied* on that behavior,
you'd have a backward compatibility problem: your new script wouldn't work
properly in older versions of zsh that didn't have the sorting. If you
wanted your script to behave consistently even when run on such versions,
you'd have to write manual code to keep the ordering, separately from the
array itself. You could pair that with a check of $ZSH_VERSION and only do
the manual bit when not running a version that does it for you
automatically, but unless you're happy to cut out backward compatibility
entirely, you'd still have to write it.

And if you'd have to write it anyway, you might as well just use it
unconditionally and avoid the complexity of switching code in and out based
on the version.

That's all I was saying.  It wasn't much of a point, and probably didn't
warrant three messages clarifying it. :)

--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@gmail.com>

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-18 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-12 19:05 more splitting travails Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 19:19 ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 19:56   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:07     ` Mark J. Reed
     [not found]   ` <CAA=-s3zc5a+PA7draaA=FmXtwU9K8RrHbb70HbQN8MhmuXTYrQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-01-12 20:03     ` Fwd: " Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 20:32       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:50         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13  2:12           ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:51         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 21:57           ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-12 22:09             ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  3:06               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  3:36                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  4:07                   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  5:39               ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13 20:02                 ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13 20:07                   ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-14  5:03                     ` zcurses mouse delay (not Re: Slurping a file) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-14  5:35                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 10:34                   ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 10:57                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 15:36                     ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 15:41                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 20:13                       ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15  0:03                         ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  0:55                           ` Empty element elision and associative arrays (was Re: Slurping a file) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  4:09                             ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  7:01                               ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:47                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 16:20                                 ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-18 17:22                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 17:36                                     ` Mark J. Reed [this message]
2024-01-18 17:55                                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 22:34                               ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-18 23:08                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19  2:46                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-19  2:58                                     ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 10:27                                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-01-19 13:45                                         ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-01-19 14:37                                           ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-19 14:57                                             ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 15:46                                               ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-19 16:01                                                 ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-01-19 17:15                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 17:42                                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-19 18:45                                                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 22:09                     ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  8:53                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 19:57                         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-16 20:07                           ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-16 20:14                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 20:38                               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-16 20:43                                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 22:27                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  2:00                     ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  4:24                       ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  6:56                         ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:37                           ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15 15:10                             ` Marc Chantreux
2024-01-15 15:29                               ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-15 16:16                                 ` Marc Chantreux
2024-01-15 16:33                                   ` MUAs (was: Re: Slurping a file) zeurkous
2024-01-16  7:23                               ` Slurping a file Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-16 14:37                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-17  3:50                                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-17  5:10                                     ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  7:26                       ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:48                         ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-15 13:13                       ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Marc Chantreux
2024-02-10 20:48                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-02-11  0:59                       ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  4:49                         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-11  5:04                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  4:46                       ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-11  5:06                         ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  7:09                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-01-13  2:19           ` Fwd: more splitting travails Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  3:59             ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  4:54               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  5:51                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13 16:40                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13 18:22                     ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13 19:08                       ` Ray Andrews

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