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Tue, 24 Jan 2023 09:40:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1801643545.282032.1674578750345@mail.virginmedia.com> In-Reply-To: <1801643545.282032.1674578750345@mail.virginmedia.com> From: Bart Schaefer Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 09:40:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A way to untie -T vars? To: Zsh Users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 28765 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:45 AM Peter Stephenson wrote: > > > On 24/01/2023 16:42 Bart Schaefer wrote: > > I don't think we're going to have any guarantied parameters. :-) > > Guaranteed, maybe. > > "Use of shell language by users voids guarantee". There are only 14 words containing "tied" in /usr/share/dict/words on my desktop, and a quick scan of words ending in "ty|tie" doesn't yield many that can be "tied", and none except "untied" seem likely to ever apply.