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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
Cc: Zsh Users <zsh-users@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Use glob patterns while reading a file
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:07:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7YuTY2W6R=tOrD+DijiiboQxJ-EDRROxhB05+gwwQEgRg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1541812878.2985396.1571973512.684C1909@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:22 PM Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>
> > > $(< ./(a|b)(N))
> >
> > That's a special syntax, expecting a single file so that it doesn't try
> > to do globbing.
>
> I think this violates the principle of least surprise.  Grammars should be
> composable and shouldn't have special cases.

Although I can't argue with this from a philosophical standpoint, I
find it astonishing to pretend that zsh ignores that philosophy only
in this particular case.

> The forms «foo» and
> «print -r -- "$(<foo)"» should always be equivalent (assuming 'foo' outputs
> a trailing newline).

I don't follow that at all.  «foo» is a shell word.  «print -r --
"$(<foo)"» is the contents of a file identified by the word «foo».  In
what context are those equivalent?

> Similarly, «<foo» and «<foo $READNULLCMD» are usually
> equivalent, but «$(<*)» and «$(<* $READNULLCMD)» are not.

The distinction here is that $(...) is a substitution, not a subshell.
It's more like a quoting mechanism (i.e. `foo`).  $(<foo) is NOT an
"optimization" of $({<foo}) (which does work exactly the way you think
it would, globbing-wise), and the "<" in that position in the
substitution is not a redirection operator, even though it looks like
one for mnemonic reasons.  $(<...) is an entirely different thing,
just like $((...)) is a different thing, even though «$(» and «<» do
not have to be composed without whitespace to form a token.

> was this behaviour intentionally implemented this way?

Yes.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-10  2:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20181108225555epcas2p274de218aef35e46f189ebbfbd9d1892f@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2018-11-08 22:53 ` Dominik Ritter
2018-11-09  9:35   ` Peter Stephenson
2018-11-09 14:37     ` Dominik Ritter
2018-11-09 16:20       ` Peter Stephenson
2018-11-10  1:21     ` Daniel Shahaf
2018-11-10  2:07       ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2018-11-10  2:12         ` Bart Schaefer

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