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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-users@zsh.org
Subject: Re: Empty element elision and associative arrays (was Re: Slurping a file)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 14:34:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7ZXT=n8e=Q5rc1-nbmyDQav=ftBOdW4UdH+bZr1+1UwMg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49702cd2-814c-4461-9819-cc2b85bd3ea2@eastlink.ca>

On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 8:09 PM Ray Andrews <rayandrews@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> Exactly as I understand it.  A arrays are 'not very clever' -- they don't try to protect you from yourself, there's no internal place holding for a missing value, and as you say things must be kept to pairs.

There is an alternate (in zsh, it's the default in e.g. ksh)
assignment syntax for associative arrays:

  asc=( [one]=1 [two]=2 [nil]= )

The "not clever" pairwise assignment is a concession to zsh's base
practice of always passing expansions by value rather than by
reference.  That is, you can not do

  typeset -A asc=$otherasc

because the defined expansion of $otherasc is an array of values, not
an object reference that can be assigned in toto.

> One  might think that the order of assignment would be 'the order' by inevitability

Associative arrays are maintained as hash tables for fast access.
Expansion is in hash key order, and the internal hash keys are
computed directly from the array key.  Anything else requires
performing a sort at expansion time, and/or (especially if order of
assignment is to be preserved) storing extra data about the order
(such as a linked list through the hash elements).  Zsh opted to do
neither of these on the premise that access to individual elements by
key is far more frequent than access to the entire table.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-18 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-12 19:05 more splitting travails Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 19:19 ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 19:56   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:07     ` Mark J. Reed
     [not found]   ` <CAA=-s3zc5a+PA7draaA=FmXtwU9K8RrHbb70HbQN8MhmuXTYrQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-01-12 20:03     ` Fwd: " Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 20:32       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:50         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13  2:12           ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-12 20:51         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-12 21:57           ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-12 22:09             ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  3:06               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  3:36                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  4:07                   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  5:39               ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13 20:02                 ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13 20:07                   ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-14  5:03                     ` zcurses mouse delay (not Re: Slurping a file) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-14  5:35                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 10:34                   ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 10:57                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 15:36                     ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 15:41                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-14 20:13                       ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15  0:03                         ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  0:55                           ` Empty element elision and associative arrays (was Re: Slurping a file) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  4:09                             ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  7:01                               ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:47                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 16:20                                 ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-18 17:22                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 17:36                                     ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-18 17:55                                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-18 22:34                               ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2024-01-18 23:08                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19  2:46                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-19  2:58                                     ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 10:27                                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-01-19 13:45                                         ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-01-19 14:37                                           ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-19 14:57                                             ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 15:46                                               ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-19 16:01                                                 ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-01-19 17:15                                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-19 17:42                                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-19 18:45                                                       ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-14 22:09                     ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  8:53                       ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 19:57                         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-16 20:07                           ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-16 20:14                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 20:38                               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-16 20:43                                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-16 22:27                                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  2:00                     ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Bart Schaefer
2024-01-15  4:24                       ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  6:56                         ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:37                           ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15 15:10                             ` Marc Chantreux
2024-01-15 15:29                               ` Mark J. Reed
2024-01-15 16:16                                 ` Marc Chantreux
2024-01-15 16:33                                   ` MUAs (was: Re: Slurping a file) zeurkous
2024-01-16  7:23                               ` Slurping a file Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-16 14:37                                 ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-17  3:50                                   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-17  5:10                                     ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-15  7:26                       ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Lawrence Velázquez
2024-01-15 14:48                         ` Slurping a file Ray Andrews
2024-01-15 13:13                       ` Slurping a file (was: more spllitting travails) Marc Chantreux
2024-02-10 20:48                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-02-11  0:59                       ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  4:49                         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-11  5:04                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  4:46                       ` Bart Schaefer
2024-02-11  5:06                         ` Mikael Magnusson
2024-02-11  7:09                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2024-01-13  2:19           ` Fwd: more splitting travails Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  3:59             ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13  4:54               ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13  5:51                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2024-01-13 16:40                   ` Ray Andrews
2024-01-13 18:22                     ` Bart Schaefer
2024-01-13 19:08                       ` Ray Andrews

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