From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25369 invoked by alias); 27 Oct 2012 20:18:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-users-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Users List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 17360 Received: (qmail 2191 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2012 20:18:47 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MISSING_HEADERS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _spf.google.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-type; bh=/aUxu2lpEIjOLWA9iblL3cZC/sym3OgDea9r4cUOKu8=; b=TFHx7yeOGP5IJNLf5Y5QuaMoo93uqp38um8TM+8bC4h+e6uo2AauQIxDPEeNWQrt7X DNT3PAqRFuoqzIIbU/dS9DwP70/d8CeVG+LAPQZvOznYnnBU1HGYbmE9ph0MGBRmISrJ ZBNNdJKiN79aEeWf4KFo1j2MDMcJXg+nFqPrKtEQUYlnwoDGVqeAbm7+wPuYDGqWxKUW B59K3cBUMOYcKo8gdLWpgLCHJLDrUDVsKbW14WUmS8kJgdvGEsTN28Yf0GLJqKa+/q/R tPTCxS6Hg0exMTu298pl28dquEHXkxSigRwt5+CJWPKhDB5fhJDCFB00Z6H8cJZeBqro AaZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <508C2485.9030005@eastlink.ca> References: <121027104249.ZM8389@torch.brasslantern.com> <508C2485.9030005@eastlink.ca> From: shawn wilson Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:18:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: change inside Cc: zsh-users@zsh.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Ray Andrews wrote: > On 27/10/12 10:42 AM, Bart Schaefer wrote: >> >> I won't attempt to assert that this still *is* the philosophy, because >> ever since zsh stopped being interesting as a project for university >> computer science students to hack on, we've had a hard time finding >> enough volunteer programmers to change much of anything, > > How sad, and how difficult to understand. I'm still only using zsh in the > most superficial way, and my opinion of it vs. bash isn't worth very much, > but for whatever it is worth, I find the bash shell, as it comes ROOTB to be > so crippled and horrible and useless as to be almost sadistic. So awful as > to drive me right back to DOS, where I had the sublime elegance of 4DOS to > work with. I turned to zsh in sheer desperation. It too is rather crippled > ROOTB, but it seemed much easier to get to the point where it is a pleasure > to use, and now I can't imagine going back to bash. This being so, I don't > understand how it might be that keeping zsh brightly polished would *not* be > seen as one of the most important tasks in the 'nix world and I would have > guessed that there would be hundreds of guys working on it. yeah, i had no idea that y'all were in such a need for developers. i mean, that's really interesting since pretty much everyone i know who knows what a shell is uses zsh and most have used it for years. i've only recently gotten past the superficial level but always loved the autocomplete over bash. i mean, i noticed the other day that debian even has a /etc/bash-completion.d/ directory with tons of little scripts for programs. to me that's just kludgy. i sorta like what bart said about vi. maybe i'll get board one day, compile exvi and start scripting out all the features i like with it. :) i do like some things to be loosely built in though - like the module system, but maybe an option to the module to say, give me extended features (like the modes in the vipr emacs module). idk how much i'd be able to help, but i cloned the git (because i wanted a newer shell on debian stable) so maybe i'll look through the code and see if there's any help i can provide.