From: Zach Riggle <email@example.com>
To: Ray Andrews <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: Zsh Users <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Better Help Docs Searching?
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:45:22 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP9c5ng8Hf5A+sVSfnO5ZfAXRTXdzi5JX3bKgGKfMoH8VV7Kw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
Thanks for all of the info (pun intended!), guys.
I've never intentionally used the "info" command, only used it
accidentally when I didn't import my zsh logging library (which
defines debug/info/warn/err/die etc for use in my various scripts).
## Using Info
When I invoke "info zsh" on my system (macOS 12) I do get some output.
However when I hit shift-i, the status line at the bottom states "No
Invoking manually doesn't work either, so I think there's something
broken about the default install of Zsh on macOS (though I *also* have
it installed via homebrew).
$ info --index-search=read zsh
no index entries found for `read'
The "g" command works to jump between commands (e.g. "g read" takes me
to the equivalent of read(2) man pages).
I get "No indices found" for "info read" as well. :(
## Building Info from Source
It seems that I'm doing this incorrectly. I inspected the Makefile
and there is *definitely* an "info" target, but Make doesn't seem to
like it. I tried both with the OS-provided GNU Make (3.81), and also
with Homebrew installed GNU Make (4.3).
$ make info
make: *** No rule to make target `info'. Stop.
There is definitely an "info" target.
$ grep -E '\binfo\b' Makefile.in | head -1
dvi ps html info pdf:
Even trying to make it manually doesn't work
$ make -C Doc -f Makefile.in info
Makefile.in:30: *** missing separator. Stop.
## Other Info Curiosities
One thing that I really like / prefer about man pages is the $MANPAGER
variable, which I have configured to use bat(3)  as my pager, which
gives syntax highlighting, highlights command names, and flag names.
Is there an equivalent for "info" pages?
Here's a few examples:
* sh: https://i.imgur.com/rGjQo9v.png
* bash: https://i.imgur.com/ymnDh5V.png
* git: https://i.imgur.com/ABqbZmE.png
: export MANPAGER="sh -c 'col -bx | bat -l man -p'"
(See https://github.com/sharkdp/bat#man. The entire "bat" project
is truly amazing.)
On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:11 PM Ray Andrews <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On 2021-08-01 11:52 a.m., Bart Schaefer wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 9:33 AM Stephane Chazelas <email@example.com> wrote:
> >> It's really astonishing that so few people know about it after
> >> so many decades it's been around.
> Little tidbits like you guys have just coughed up would have saved God
> knows how much frustration here. There's always a solution, but finding
> it might not be so easy.
> > GNU made a push some years ago to try to move everything from "man" to
> > "info", but it never really took hold.
> Strange, isn't it? Something in the culture sticks to the trusted
> tradition even when a clear improvement is available. Seems to be a
> Linux/Unix wide thing. I still remember my first successful install of
> Linux. Bash without even command recall and no DELETE key, and one was
> expected to either already know emacs or to use the nano editor. DOS
> seemed advanced by comparison. Even zsh, one might think there's be
> some default to user friendly setup out of the box but that's not the
> way. Anyway not to whine -- thanks for the 'info' tips.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-03 5:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-01 10:44 Zach Riggle
2021-08-01 11:01 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2021-08-01 16:21 ` Mikael Magnusson
2021-08-01 16:33 ` Stephane Chazelas
2021-08-01 18:52 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-01 20:11 ` Ray Andrews
2021-08-03 5:45 ` Zach Riggle [this message]
2021-08-03 8:03 ` Zach Riggle
2021-08-03 8:09 ` Zach Riggle
2021-08-03 8:44 ` Peter Stephenson
2021-08-03 9:40 ` Zach Riggle
2021-08-03 9:57 ` Peter Stephenson
2021-08-03 16:47 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-03 11:28 ` david rayner
2021-08-05 15:31 ` Vincent Lefevre
2021-08-03 16:52 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-01 16:25 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-05 9:56 ` Vincent Lefevre
2021-08-04 6:30 ` Roman Neuhauser
2021-08-04 14:56 ` Ray Andrews
2021-08-04 16:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-05 12:00 ` Ray Andrews
2021-08-04 16:38 ` Roman Neuhauser
2021-08-04 16:05 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-08-04 16:45 ` Roman Neuhauser
2021-08-14 15:41 ` Daniel Shahaf
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