From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12415 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2023 13:41:24 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Oct 2023 13:41:24 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1696945284; b=ajfLVkI1Mnxk9a/WAwUp7U5RMGgpXlQpp2622ZI0Qcw2S9fYmylt/J/moIqSAv8rsbAKxZKPW2 7UKdsb7DsqWwVMbTnrQGbsCalSCnMEdqcxKia6zAkJzpu/PTum2XzwLJLOXHfa8G8CSRJIa5OV RfCQWfT/NxmtjXXvtIQ4lJDUmVuoloa1jRbkTPMo3k+FV5YkrFfi6SHI127RpUNwKJE6Mmok1A lJBLEqATvaF3f+2CmP8BNcARXdS8pUdwKjby5uC5VuXlkucfCbxGwtepo4heI+fUEgcrpWO+AN IeiY1Jpvx3GWOHnuW6ejjNTEN7IKV+0N85Fk3+BcWFCe6A==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (toucan.quest) smtp.remote-ip=135.125.103.247; dmarc=none header.from=zeitlins.org; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1696945284; bh=pJEKsjzklyM7Gb1a13Nwok1aHX5UDpWCv3S0WGARqss=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: To:Subject:From:Date:DKIM-Signature; b=dw/u47N02M25xsDTXkhsx8fFtPOrjzQKm5lMs69m1Jyi7rjoCF4R+7dUu06txsMRcRuWjHvamW 7yohGIzClI3c9haCBIHUyd4iUUNyhhu+5eOd7v8++la6TC2Qa59BG0kNkqDuXKsBAe3ETNJK5G O/8he12Hwm+aHlzb7katA0SVqfZf4gck5cEz/BaH86vhvNWZvmKHt1VOaMUb2F1l9V0X3H+Mbk q+3iqUDN8dk6m3oykEEUlV7F2Amf17DLBLstZqjqINfXzDXvTJeEFiRoaY0XnYw0LHzHgeFxSW 7DZY5UPMkRtnVaxIQkRcbLBZiibw2YShekd6FHaJsuiZBg==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:To:Subject:From:Date:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=8VCoF2tj8xbOAdcfKytDSFtiXbyokdg31jDc17vmTN4=; b=Bnj09syn0v/gfkAngxmRKfeK/h vb+9NPoR3rZHtFgN/8TdE29wPAwpCVk7s+CbzLTE3n+BolcvEPqEEMUcc4qOhUrfIrWIRiE6/IW6S HSrHejl3+lJfMSGAREFg9bYEC9Qnh1s6+GTBYWonmmwKHtk/gpwN6XPXk4xT5OGkDJ3qTwMBr+R67 z58eWG/coHcsERzgQFKqHa8oQC+Ct4Adb3ew1QrpQUVJoJMaa9b6+kH2PkD/s2mtPvUfeJfmt89xs wIKe1icRsEIaBdYC748xltxQZDcKDiPr62q/YuiC/n3nIFSGo/KLWa3m3yz4lHA8vMx5K8WzKxTGt ulGdhYLA==; Received: by zero.zsh.org with local id 1qqCzE-000FqG-6Y; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:41:24 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (toucan.quest) smtp.remote-ip=135.125.103.247; dmarc=none header.from=zeitlins.org; arc=none Received: from toucan.quest ([135.125.103.247]:51039) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1qqCyH-000F8s-RS; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:40:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.17.23] (helo=dark) by smtp.tt-solutions.com with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1qqCyG-00EHHU-3A for zsh-users@zsh.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:40:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:40:24 +0200 From: Vadim Zeitlin Subject: Re[2]: Default setting of ZLE keymap To: Zsh Users Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/SIGNED; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; BOUNDARY="8323329-1369133069-1696945224=:1755605" References: <2105981086.731146.1696937246536@mail.virginmedia.com> In-Reply-To: <2105981086.731146.1696937246536@mail.virginmedia.com> X-Mailer: Mahogany 0.68.0 'Cynthia', compiled for Linux 6.1.0-10-amd64 x86_64 X-Seq: 29281 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-users@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-users-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-users-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: --8323329-1369133069-1696945224=:1755605 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 12:27:26 +0100 (BST) Peter Stephenson wrote: PS> > On 07/10/2023 22:13 Bart Schaefer wrote: PS> > (1) The whole scheme of using VISUAL / EDITOR to select zsh bindings PS> > should be abandoned. It's obsolete and no one uses those variables PS> > for that purpose any longer. Zsh should default to emacs behavior PS> > unless an rc-file explicitly performs "bindkey -v". PS> > PS> > Throwing the question out to a wider audience: If the zsh-users list PS> > expresses no particular preference, or no need for #2, zsh-workers PS> > will proceed with #1. PS> PS> Seems like a definite green light for this, as far as I can see. PS> PS> It's certainly something I've only ever fallen foul of, but I PS> speak as an emacs user so am not really in the target user group. Just to give a point of view of someone who probably is, I do have a habit of doing "export EDITOR=vim" when working on somebody else's machine to let me edit the command line (I'm totally lost with the default key bindings after so many years of using Vi ones) and also use my preferred editor with the other programs (notably Git), but I guess this is not a very common use case. Still, I'm not sure how does "nobody uses EDITOR any longer" imply that zsh shouldn't select the default bindings if it is set: if it's really never set, there is no harm in continuing to do it and if it is set, it would help people like me. Regards, VZ --8323329-1369133069-1696945224=:1755605 Content-Type: APPLICATION/PGP-SIGNATURE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQQx+vLQdOwioQqkxtoG6kHeT2wehgUCZSVUSAAKCRAG6kHeT2we hlrfAJ0TPbQYt6iTuW6HmKnS4HnHTpZH5wCfTHMlTig91zVoUsIXf5/7Lmb/Rmk= =hguM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8323329-1369133069-1696945224=:1755605--