maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Andrew Eskilsson]

I am sitting on a normal SUN system, where all other people is using
csh/tcsh. Now the problem is keeping my .zlogin and .zshrc file
uptodate with the global cshrc and login files.

Are there any possibilities to let zsh run the global files and
incorporate the freshly set variables into the shell?

Or are there any way of converting a login/cshrc file to "readable" (I
want the comments too!) zlogin / zshrc

At the moment I dump my environment i csh and convert the output to
zsh and put it in my .zshrc file, loosing comments and so on. Not
readable.

	/andy

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Toshi Isogai]

On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Andrew Eskilsson wrote:

> I am sitting on a normal SUN system, where all other people is using
> csh/tcsh. Now the problem is keeping my .zlogin and .zshrc file
> uptodate with the global cshrc and login files.
> 
> Are there any possibilities to let zsh run the global files and
> incorporate the freshly set variables into the shell?
> 

I am in the same situation and what I did was setting my login
shell back to csh and at the end of my .cshrc (or .login) I added

	exec zsh

In this way, I can use all the environment variable from global cshrc.  


Toshi Isogai   ^[$@0k3-MxL@^[(J

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Barton E. Schaefer]

On Sep 6, 10:16am, Toshi Isogai wrote:
} Subject: Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system
}
} On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Andrew Eskilsson wrote:
} 
} > Are there any possibilities to let zsh run the global [csh] files and
} > incorporate the freshly set variables into the shell?
} 
} I am in the same situation and what I did was setting my login
} shell back to csh and at the end of my .cshrc (or .login) I added
} 
} 	exec zsh

Yup, I do the same thing.  Proper startup of the IRIX 4 desktop is pretty
heavily wired into having csh (or sh) as your login shell.  My .cshrc on
IRIX 4 machines actually looks (in part) like this:

###

# Figure out if this login is from XDM on the console
setenv TTY "`tty`"
if ($?DISPLAY) then
    if ($DISPLAY == :0) then
	if (! $?CONSOLE_LOGIN) then
	    setenv CONSOLE_LOGIN "$TTY"
	endif
    endif
    setenv WINTERM xterm
    setenv XHOST `hostname`
endif
if ($?CONSOLE_LOGIN) then
    if ("$CONSOLE_LOGIN" != "$TTY") then
	unsetenv CONSOLE_LOGIN
    endif
endif

# If this is not the XDM console and is interactive, run zsh
if (! $?CONSOLE_LOGIN && $?prompt) then
    if (! $?SHLVL) then
	exec /usr/local/bin/zsh -l
    else
	exec /usr/local/bin/zsh
    endif
endif

###

On the original question, though -- there are two major syntactic barriers
to getting zsh to parse csh script files:

1.  "set" commands, because they can do any of:
    a.  assign to multiple boolean options in a single command
    b.  mix assignments of option variables with string assignments
    c.  use spaces around the "=" sign in any string assignment

	set noclobber history = 50 nonomatch prompt="`hostname`: "

2.  the "$?variable" syntax for testing whether a variable is set

You can get zsh to parse just about everything else (*) by clever use of
aliases and zsh functions, but I haven't figured out a workaround for
either of the above.

(*) "switch" statements are VERY entertaining, but possible (I think);
    anybody care to guess how?

-- 
Bart Schaefer                     Vice President, Technology, Z-Code Software
schaefer@z-code.com                  Division of NCD Software Corporation
http://www.well.com/www/barts

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Zefram]

>
>On Sep 6, 10:16am, Toshi Isogai wrote:
>} Subject: Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system
>}
>} On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Andrew Eskilsson wrote:
>} 
>} > Are there any possibilities to let zsh run the global [csh] files and
>} > incorporate the freshly set variables into the shell?
>} 
>} I am in the same situation and what I did was setting my login
>} shell back to csh and at the end of my .cshrc (or .login) I added
>} 
>} 	exec zsh
>
>Yup, I do the same thing.  Proper startup of the IRIX 4 desktop is pretty
>heavily wired into having csh (or sh) as your login shell.  My .cshrc on
>IRIX 4 machines actually looks (in part) like this:
>
>###
>
># Figure out if this login is from XDM on the console
>setenv TTY "`tty`"
>if ($?DISPLAY) then
>    if ($DISPLAY == :0) then
>	if (! $?CONSOLE_LOGIN) then
>	    setenv CONSOLE_LOGIN "$TTY"
>	endif
>    endif
>    setenv WINTERM xterm
>    setenv XHOST `hostname`
>endif
>if ($?CONSOLE_LOGIN) then
>    if ("$CONSOLE_LOGIN" != "$TTY") then
>	unsetenv CONSOLE_LOGIN
>    endif
>endif
>
># If this is not the XDM console and is interactive, run zsh
>if (! $?CONSOLE_LOGIN && $?prompt) then
>    if (! $?SHLVL) then
>	exec /usr/local/bin/zsh -l
>    else
>	exec /usr/local/bin/zsh
>    endif
>endif
>
>###
>
>On the original question, though -- there are two major syntactic barriers
>to getting zsh to parse csh script files:
>
>1.  "set" commands, because they can do any of:
>    a.  assign to multiple boolean options in a single command
>    b.  mix assignments of option variables with string assignments
>    c.  use spaces around the "=" sign in any string assignment
>
>	set noclobber history = 50 nonomatch prompt="`hostname`: "
>
>2.  the "$?variable" syntax for testing whether a variable is set
>
>You can get zsh to parse just about everything else (*) by clever use of
>aliases and zsh functions, but I haven't figured out a workaround for
>either of the above.
>
>(*) "switch" statements are VERY entertaining, but possible (I think);
>    anybody care to guess how?
>
>-- 
>Bart Schaefer                     Vice President, Technology, Z-Code Software
>schaefer@z-code.com                  Division of NCD Software Corporation
>http://www.well.com/www/barts
>

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Zefram]

[Sorry about the earlier version of this message.  I goofed.]

>On the original question, though -- there are two major syntactic barriers
>to getting zsh to parse csh script files:
>
>1.  "set" commands, because they can do any of:
>    a.  assign to multiple boolean options in a single command
>    b.  mix assignments of option variables with string assignments
>    c.  use spaces around the "=" sign in any string assignment
>
>	set noclobber history = 50 nonomatch prompt="`hostname`: "
>
>2.  the "$?variable" syntax for testing whether a variable is set
>
>You can get zsh to parse just about everything else (*) by clever use of
>aliases and zsh functions, but I haven't figured out a workaround for
>either of the above.

$?variable would have to be supported by zsh itself, and would conflict
with the normal use of $?.  I think you could define a set function
that would do everything required, though.  (Check if argument is an
option and set it if so, check for separated = signs and join together
arguments as required.  It's actually not too difficult to write.)

>(*) "switch" statements are VERY entertaining, but possible (I think);
>    anybody care to guess how?

Please enlighten us.

-zefram

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Barton E. Schaefer]

On Sep 6,  7:33pm, Zefram wrote:
} Subject: Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system
}
} >On the original question, though -- there are two major syntactic barriers
} >to getting zsh to parse csh script files:
} >
} >1.  "set" commands, because they can do any of:
} >    a.  assign to multiple boolean options in a single command
} >    b.  mix assignments of option variables with string assignments
} >    c.  use spaces around the "=" sign in any string assignment
} >
} >	set noclobber history = 50 nonomatch prompt="`hostname`: "
} >
} >2.  the "$?variable" syntax for testing whether a variable is set
} >
} >You can get zsh to parse just about everything else (*) by clever use of
} >aliases and zsh functions, but I haven't figured out a workaround for
} >either of the above.
} 
} $?variable would have to be supported by zsh itself, and would conflict
} with the normal use of $?.

Yup.

} I think you could define a set function
} that would do everything required, though.  (Check if argument is an
} option and set it if so, check for separated = signs and join together
} arguments as required.  It's actually not too difficult to write.)

I suspect that if you wrote it, I could break it using something that
would be legal csh syntax.  I do agree that you can cover most of the
common cases.

Oh, I thought of a third serious syntax problem:  History syntax in
aliases.  I shouldn't have forgotten that one, it's even mentioned in
the section that I contributed to the FAQ. :-}

} >(*) "switch" statements are VERY entertaining, but possible (I think);
} >    anybody care to guess how?
} 
} Please enlighten us.

It starts out with something like:

    alias switch='cat >! /tmp/sw$$ <<\endsw ; doswitch'

And finishes up with a doswitch() function that reads the temporary file
and looks for the case ... breaksw block matching the function params.

-- 
Bart Schaefer                     Vice President, Technology, Z-Code Software
schaefer@z-code.com                  Division of NCD Software Corporation
http://www.well.com/www/barts

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Dave Sainty]

Barton E. Schaefer writes:

> 
>     alias switch='cat >! /tmp/sw$$ <<\endsw ; doswitch'
> 
> And finishes up with a doswitch() function that reads the temporary file
> and looks for the case ... breaksw block matching the function params.

Expensive every time you log in!

As far as init files are concerned, how about a function doinitfiles()
that did a [[ /etc/csh.cshrc -nt $HOME/.zsh.cshrc ]]. If true, run a
conversion (autoloaded!) over /etc/csh.cshrc and save the result as
.zsh.cshrc, in either case sourcing the new file. It's gotta be useful
for people running zsh on un-zsh-savvy systems!

So, who wants to write it?

D.

Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system

[Bart Schaefer]

On Sep 7,  5:38pm, Dave Sainty wrote:
} Subject: Re: maintaining init files on a [t]csh influenced system
}
} Barton E. Schaefer writes:
} 
} >     alias switch='cat >! /tmp/sw$$ <<\endsw ; doswitch'
} 
} Expensive every time you log in!

Yeah, it fits more in the Stupid Zsh Tricks category.  You'll have noticed
from my earlier message that I don't do any such thing in my own startup
files.

} As far as init files are concerned, how about a function doinitfiles()
} that did a [[ /etc/csh.cshrc -nt $HOME/.zsh.cshrc ]]. If true, run a
} conversion (autoloaded!) over /etc/csh.cshrc and save the result as
} .zsh.cshrc, in either case sourcing the new file.

You could start with the c2z script that comes with the zsh dist.  That
converter needs updating -- it was written for zsh2.3 -- but it still
does most of the right things.

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                      Vice President, Technology
schaefer@z-code.com                                Z-Code / NCD Software Inc.

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