SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Bart Schaefer]

http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2010/03/25/cvs-outage-2010-03-25/

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Wayne Davison]

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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>wrote:

>
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2010/03/25/cvs-outage-2010-03-25/
>

It appears to be back now (was working for me).  See:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2010/03/27/cvs-viewvc-are-back-on-line-2010-03-27/

It would be cool to switch from CVS to git (which has better
high-availability support than CVS), but I understand that if Peter is not
familiar with it, it would be annoying for him to have to put a lot of time
into getting everything working with a new scm.  (It took me a good bit of
time to rework my rsync release tools for git when I switched from CVS a
couple years ago.)  If we ever decide to take the plunge, I'd be glad to
help with tweaking any release scripts, answering any git questions, etc.

..wayne..

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Benjamin R. Haskell]

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Wayne Davison wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2010/03/25/cvs-outage-2010-03-25/
> >
> 
> It appears to be back now (was working for me).  See:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2010/03/27/cvs-viewvc-are-back-on-line-2010-03-27/
> 
> It would be cool to switch from CVS to git (which has better 
> high-availability support than CVS),

Really?

I'm a huge fan of git, but if the SF git server were to go down, how is 
it any different than the SF CVS server going down?  Assuming the goal 
isn't to move away from having an 'official' repository, the only 
difference obvious to me is that you'd be able to work offline (i.e.  
still commit changesets to be pushed later).  But, the same is true when 
working off of the (unofficial?) git mirror.

I'm definitely *not* saying "Stay with CVS!".  Just curious about the 
better availability justification.


> [... trimmed other transition-related concerns ...]

-- 
Best,
Ben

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Wayne Davison]

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Benjamin R. Haskell <zsh@benizi.com> wrote:

> if the SF git server were to go down, how is it any different than the SF
> CVS server going down?


There are multiple git servers, all of which share the load for serving
every git request, no matter the project.  CVS doesn't play well with shared
storage, so there is just one cvs server for a particular project that is
active at any one time.  This means that there are outages for maintenance,
outages for fail-overs, etc., more-so than there'd be with git.

..wayne..

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Benjamin R. Haskell]

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Wayne Davison wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Benjamin R. Haskell <zsh@benizi.com> wrote:
>       if the SF git server were to go down, how is it any different 
>       than the SF CVS server going down?
> 
> 
> There are multiple git servers, all of which share the load for 
> serving every git request, no matter the project.  CVS doesn't play 
> well with shared storage,

For anyone else interested in specifics, googling CVS NFS comes up with 
this thread[1], but more interesting was Linus's explanation of how git 
avoids NFS problems[2].  (NFS being the natural search term when 
"doesn't play well" and "shared storage" are mentioned.)


> so there is just one cvs server for a particular project that is 
> active at any one time.  This means that there are outages for 
> maintenance, outages for fail-overs, etc., more-so than there'd be 
> with git.

Thanks for the explanation.  Makes sense now.

-- 
Best,
Ben

[1] CVS and NFS - ~4.5 years old - http://mongers.org/cvs#cvs_nfs
[2] what's the current wisdom on git over NFS/CIFS? - 2009-07-02 -
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/122670

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Peter Stephenson]

Wayne Davison wrote:
> It would be cool to switch from CVS to git (which has better
> high-availability support than CVS), but I understand that if Peter is not
> familiar with it, it would be annoying for him to have to put a lot of time
> into getting everything working with a new scm.

I think the real problem would be losing anonymous CVS.  We have so few
active developers I don't think management of the archive is a major
problem.

Personally, I have no more objection to using git than any other system
(I use the git mirror when CVS is down), but I don't think there's any
overriding reason for changing.  If there had been we'd probably already
have switched to Subversion.  Delaying a commit by a day or two is a
complete non-issue in our case.

-- 
Peter Stephenson <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>
Web page now at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/p.w.stephenson/

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Clint Adams]

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:45:36PM +0000, Peter Stephenson wrote:
> I think the real problem would be losing anonymous CVS.  We have so few

That's not strictly a problem; anyone on the planet with a git mirror
could run git-cvsserver if SourceForge doesn't offer that.  Or even
if they do.

Re: SourceForge CVS down for the weekend, it looks like

[Wayne Davison]

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Peter Stephenson <
p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> I think the real problem would be losing anonymous CVS.
>

FYI, an easy way for random folks to snag the latest source without needing
git is to request a tar via the web -- i.e. go here and click on the
snapshot link:

http://zsh.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=zsh/zsh;a=tree

I agree that there is no overriding reason to switch, though, as long as the
outages are not causing you grief.

..wayne..