From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2865 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 17:23:43 -0000 Received: from sunsite.dk (130.225.51.30) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 17:23:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10222 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2001 17:23:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 13989 Received: (qmail 10198 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 17:23:43 -0000 From: "Bart Schaefer" Message-Id: <1010414172222.ZM3668@candle.brasslantern.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:22:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3AD7461F.A6B691FC@u.genie.co.uk> Comments: In reply to Oliver Kiddle "PATCH: completion for MUAs" (Apr 13, 7:31pm) References: <3AD7461F.A6B691FC@u.genie.co.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk Subject: Re: PATCH: completion for MUAs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 13, 7:31pm, Oliver Kiddle wrote: } Subject: PATCH: completion for MUAs } } I actually have a more complete mush completion but it would probably } be fairly pointless to add it. I apologize for the somewhat off-topic reply, but I thought some of the zsh-workers might be interested in the following. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Open-source Z-Mail: a call for help Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 04:39:00 GMT From: Jerry Hudgins Organization:Western Digital Design, Marin County, California Newsgroups: comp.mail.zmail, comp.mail.misc, comp.mail.mime, comp.mail.mush For the uninitiated: Z-Mail is a powerful standards-based, MIME-aware commercial mail program which descended from the freeware mush system. It's scriptable, highly configurable, and runs on a wide variety of UNIX platforms in shell, full-screen, and Motif modes. There were once ports to both Windows and Macintosh as well, and these versions used the same mail file format and scripting language as their UNIX cousin. The Z-Mail product was purchased by NetManage several years ago, and after retiring the Windows and Mac ports, they've now discontinued the UNIX version. They've pretty thoroughly purged it from their Web site; however, if you're curious, a tutorial lingers: http://supportweb.netmanage.com/tutorials/zmail-motif/zmail_intro.html Given that they're no longer interested in selling it, I think that NetManage should be encouraged to release the code as open source, perhaps using the Mozilla model. They could make money by selling new support contracts for business users, if they liked, and both free and commercial UNIX users could immediately benefit from its availability. I'd also anticipate interest in reviving the Windows and Mac ports - those platforms could use a better option again. First, however, we must convince NetManage to release the code. I've sent my own note of encouragement to: sales@netmanage.com support@netmanage.com and if you're willing to help, please do likewise. Point out the potential support revenue. Remind them that their old competitor, Ishmail, is now open-source. Assure them of the resulting goodwill toward NetManage, and the potential for increased interest in their other products. Educate them on the benefits of open-source efforts. If we make enough noise, perhaps they'll agree to do it - and this would be a Very Good Thing. Pitch in if you can. -jch -- Bart Schaefer Brass Lantern Enterprises http://www.well.com/user/barts http://www.brasslantern.com Zsh: http://www.zsh.org | PHPerl Project: http://phperl.sourceforge.net