From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk
Subject: Re: Enhanced shell
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:19:53 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1010730021953.ZM29184@candle.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E15QnGV-0000hL-00@bowl.fysh.org>
On Jul 29, 10:53am, Zefram wrote:
} Subject: Re: Enhanced shell
}
} >coproc keyword (|& as per csh is already semi-standard and useful)
}
} It's just a pity we can't make coproc a normal command -- it has to be
} part of the shell grammar to pick up an entire pipeline, which seems to
} be what we want.
I think the syntax `coproc { LIST }' would be preferable to what we have
now. Ksh has introduced `namespace NAME { LIST }' already. If the LIST
associated with `coproc' were brace-delimited, we could use the regular
redirection operators to specify inputs and outputs, rather than using
options to the coproc pseudo-command. Heck, you could even have coprocs
with multios!
} >? ZDOTDIR? (or equivalent)
}
} I'm very dubious about this kind of thing. We should mostly ignore the
} environment when deciding which dotfiles to execute.
That's why I suggested not importing ZDOTDIR unless geteuid() == getuid().
Seems to be the right balance. (How does ksh deal with ENV ?)
} >CPUTYPE/HOSTYPE/OSTYPE, EGID/GID, EUID/UID, ERRNO, HOST or HOSTNAME (bash)
}
} Instead, we should put all magic variables -- ones that affect the
} shell or that the shell fiddles with, other than by explicit command
} -- into a sub-namespace. Things like PATH would have to remain where
} they are, because they're needed in the environment. But EGID should be
} "egid.sh".
Ksh namespaces are ${.namespace.parameter}, not ${parameter.namespace}.
I think we're probably going to be stuck with that. However, I agree
that most of the "magic" variables should be in a namespace, and futher
I that the magic should be implemented with something like discipline
functions. E.g., there should be a builtin command to change effective
UID, and assigning to .sh.euid should invoke that command.
} With the emulate command as described above, we can have multios be on
} by default in "posix_v2" mode and (of course) off by default in POSIX
} v1 mode. We don't need to standardise "setopt multios", or most other
} user-visible options.
Hmm, perhaps that's true, but should we at least standardize a reserved
name (e.g., a .sh.options parameter) for changing the option settings?
Should we try to do anything at all about the plethora of single-letter
shell-startup command-line options?
} modifiers on parameter expansion: the history modifiers could be
} standardised for use in parameter expansion a la "${FOO:t}". These seem
} useful, and a clean syntax.
The syntax isn't all that clean, really, once you get involved with using
more than one modifier per expansion ... and the semantics of :s/p/r and
:& etc. are rather baroque.
--
Bart Schaefer Brass Lantern Enterprises
http://www.well.com/user/barts http://www.brasslantern.com
Zsh: http://www.zsh.org | PHPerl Project: http://phperl.sourceforge.net
prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-07-30 2:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-07-22 22:47 Peter Stephenson
2001-07-23 11:13 ` Oliver Kiddle
2001-07-23 11:38 ` Peter Stephenson
2001-07-23 18:03 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-07-24 13:42 ` Oliver Kiddle
2001-07-23 12:00 ` Nadav Har'El
2001-07-23 16:38 ` Enable/disable (was Re: Enhanced shell) Bart Schaefer
2001-07-23 22:00 ` Nadav Har'El
2001-07-24 1:12 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-07-24 2:45 ` Here-strings and $functions Bart Schaefer
2001-07-24 6:18 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-07-24 8:12 ` Sven Wischnowsky
2001-07-24 12:16 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-07-24 9:23 ` Enable/disable (was Re: Enhanced shell) Peter Stephenson
2001-07-24 12:10 ` PATCH: Doc errors (Re: Enable/disable (was Re: Enhanced shell)) Bart Schaefer
2001-07-29 9:53 ` Enhanced shell Zefram
2001-07-29 22:07 ` Peter Stephenson
2001-07-30 1:34 ` Bart Schaefer
2001-07-30 2:19 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
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