From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12134 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 04:26:07 -0000 Received: from sunsite.dk (130.225.51.30) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 04:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 13934 invoked by alias); 16 Sep 2001 04:26:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 15814 Received: (qmail 13920 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 04:26:00 -0000 From: Bart Schaefer Message-Id: <1010916042537.ZM2928@candle.brasslantern.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 04:25:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20010915232204.E33DC1427E@pwstephenson.fsnet.co.uk> Comments: In reply to Peter Stephenson "Re: Various vared problems with screen refresh, etc." (Sep 16, 12:21am) References: <20010915232204.E33DC1427E@pwstephenson.fsnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk Subject: Re: Various vared problems with screen refresh, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 16, 12:21am, Peter Stephenson wrote: } Subject: Re: Various vared problems with screen refresh, etc. } } Bart Schaefer wrote: } > Would anyone object to moving the BAUD doc into the "set by" section? } } If it *is* set by the shell, that would seem to me pretty logical. Well, you'd think so, but ... the following parameters are all set by the shell, yet described in the "used by" section: BAUD IFS module_path PROMPT3 PS3 TMPPREFIX COLUMNS KEYTIMEOUT NULLCMD PROMPT4 PS4 WATCHFMT fpath LINES path prompt READNULLCMD WORDCHARS histchars LOGCHECK PROMPT PS1 SPROMPT HISTCHARS MAILCHECK PROMPT2 PS2 TIMEFMT So you'd think the distinction might be that "used by" are parameters to which assignment changes the behavior of the shell, regardless of whether the shell supplies a default value; but in that case, what are argv, EGID, EUID, GID, OPTARG, OPTIND, SECONDS, and UID doing in the "set by" section? Also in "used by" are REPLY and reply, which sometimes are set and other times are used, but _ (underscore), which is similar, is in "set by". There also doesn't seem to be any sort of ordering in the first page or so of "set by". I suppose status and pipestatus are out of order to be closer to ?, but then what's 0 doing in between them? (OK, I'll stop ranting now.) So perhaps we need either more or fewer categories. -- Bart Schaefer Brass Lantern Enterprises http://www.well.com/user/barts http://www.brasslantern.com Zsh: http://www.zsh.org | PHPerl Project: http://phperl.sourceforge.net