From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11206 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 17:45:25 -0000 Received: from thor.dotsrc.org (HELO a.mx.sunsite.dk) (qmailr@130.225.247.86) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 1 May 2004 17:45:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23110 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 17:44:54 -0000 Received: from sunsite.dk (130.225.247.90) by a.mx.sunsite.dk with SMTP; 1 May 2004 17:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28712 invoked by alias); 1 May 2004 17:44:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 19864 Received: (qmail 28688 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 17:44:49 -0000 Received: from thor.dotsrc.org (HELO a.mx.sunsite.dk) (qmailr@130.225.247.86) by sunsite.dk with SMTP; 1 May 2004 17:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21867 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 17:44:22 -0000 Received: from wbar3.sjo1-4-11-009-147.sjo1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO candle.brasslantern.com) (4.11.9.147) by a.mx.sunsite.dk with SMTP; 1 May 2004 17:44:20 -0000 Received: (from schaefer@localhost) by candle.brasslantern.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i41HiIm02463; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:44:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: candle.brasslantern.com: schaefer set sender to schaefer@closedmail.com using -f From: Bart Schaefer Message-Id: <1040501174418.ZM2462@candle.brasslantern.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 17:44:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20040501054241.GA11506@scowler.net> Comments: In reply to Clint Adams "Re: Bug#246305: zsh: completion for sudo doesn't add commands under root's path" (May 1, 1:42am) References: <877jw0gzp3.wl@broken.int.wedontsleep.org> <20040428130449.GA3198@scowler.net> <1040428160206.ZM29342@candle.brasslantern.com> <20040430122712.GA2985@scowler.net> <17443.1083331282@trentino.logica.co.uk> <20040430153937.GA4644@scowler.net> <1040430162512.ZM1310@candle.brasslantern.com> <20040501050229.GA11064@scowler.net> <1040501052546.ZM1893@candle.brasslantern.com> <20040501054241.GA11506@scowler.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk, Clint Adams Subject: [OT] Mail problems (was Re: Bug#246305 ...) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 on a.mx.sunsite.dk X-Spam-Level: ****** X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.8 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_30,RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Hits: 6.8 X-Spam-Report: * -0.9 BAYES_30 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 30 to 40% * [score: 0.3345] * 3.5 RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP RBL: NJABL: dialup sender did non-local SMTP * [4.11.9.147 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 2.6 RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK RBL: Sent directly from dynamic IP address * [4.11.9.147 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 0.1 RCVD_IN_NJABL RBL: Received via a relay in dnsbl.njabl.org * [4.11.9.147 listed in dnsbl.njabl.org] * 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS * [4.11.9.147 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] On May 1, 1:42am, Clint Adams wrote: } } BTW, I don't know if it's just me, but verizon.net is rejecting direct } mail to Bart. Several months ago Verizon instituted a "callback" policy -- their mail servers wait for the MAIL FROM, then attempt to look up an MX record for that address and make an SMTP connection to that MX. If they connect to the MX, they issue MAIL FROM:<> and RCPT TO: and expect a 250 OK, at which point they hang up. They then reject the message with a 450 temporary failure if there is no MX (so hosts with only an A record are out of luck) or permanently with a 550 if there was no 250 OK to their callback. Some sysadmins consider such callbacks abusive in their own right, and others consider them to be a sign of accept-then-bounce of worm spew, so they configure their systems to stop answering verizon's callbacks, and the result is that no mail can reach verizon from those domains. I don't know what the specific situation may be for Clint. However, I *did* get two copies (one on-list, one direct) of the message from Clint that is excerpted above.