From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18366 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:59:58 -0000 Received: from news.dotsrc.org (HELO a.mx.sunsite.dk) (130.225.247.88) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:59:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6610 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:59:51 -0000 Received: from sunsite.dk (130.225.247.90) by a.mx.sunsite.dk with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:59:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4641 invoked by alias); 11 May 2005 09:59:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 21254 Received: (qmail 4628 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:59:48 -0000 Received: from news.dotsrc.org (HELO a.mx.sunsite.dk) (130.225.247.88) by sunsite.dk with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6332 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:59:48 -0000 Received: from mail36.messagelabs.com (193.109.254.211) by a.mx.sunsite.dk with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:59:41 -0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: okiddle@yahoo.co.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-36.messagelabs.com!1115805577!17313810!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [158.234.9.163] Received: (qmail 10352 invoked from network); 11 May 2005 09:59:37 -0000 Received: from iris.logica.co.uk (158.234.9.163) by server-11.tower-36.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 11 May 2005 09:59:37 -0000 Received: from trentino.logica.co.uk ([158.234.142.59]) by iris.logica.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id j4B9xbZe016964 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:59:37 +0100 Received: from trentino.groupinfra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trentino.logica.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B912B54950 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:59:16 +0200 (CEST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=.,-,- In-reply-to: <1050510154359.ZM15169@candle.brasslantern.com> From: Oliver Kiddle References: <20050425063521.GA17598@quark.hightek.org> <1050425163202.ZM25027@candle.brasslantern.com> <20050426030308.GA21501@quark.hightek.org> <200504261834.j3QIYHSa018951@news01.csr.com> <1050427053638.ZM28743@candle.brasslantern.com> <200504270954.j3R9sujP029445@news01.csr.com> <1050427140931.ZM29524@candle.brasslantern.com> <20050501185447.GA24296@quark.hightek.org> <200505031004.j43A47jB014589@news01.csr.com> <20050503192011.GA34761@quark.hightek.org> <13873.1115198811@csr.com> <16447.1115718327@trentino.groupinfra.com> <1050510141032.ZM15068@candle.brasslantern.com> <20470.1115736124@trentino.groupinfra.com> <1050510154359.ZM15169@candle.brasslantern.com> To: Zsh hackers list Subject: Re: yodl and Z shell documentation (was localtraps) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:59:16 +0200 Message-ID: <11241.1115805556@trentino.groupinfra.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 on a.mx.sunsite.dk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Hits: -2.6 Bart wrote: > This is not increasing my enthusiasm. The whole reason we chose yodl > way back when was because that meant *one* piece of format-conversion > software was required to produce all the output formats we wanted. If you consider that we currently need texi2html to produce HTML and pdfetex to produce PDF (no to mention a full TeX installation), the current situation doesn't quite live up to that. > Requiring a greater number of conversion tools from a wider variety of > sources and that may be available on a smaller number of target OSs, is > not a step forward in my opinion. Well docbook would be a single source and XSL-FO our only intermediate source. Docbook as a format is largely independent of the actual tools. There's a defacto standard set of XSL stylesheets for producing HTML, man, plain text (I think) and XSL-FO. But you've got a choice of XSL translator (xsltproc, saxon, xalan etc). For PDFs there's again a choice for converting XSL-FO (fop (java), PassiveTex and xmlroff). So as far as target OSs go, we'd be in a far better position than with yodl. If we do go through with the transition, you'll probably find the main disadvantage is that docbook source and XML is somewhat more verbose than yodl. Oliver