From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 352f4e8d for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 03:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22911 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2020 03:24:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 45206 Received: (qmail 2851 invoked by uid 1010); 3 Jan 2020 03:24:37 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mail-yb1-f169.google.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.102.1/25677. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(209.85.219.169):SA:0(-1.9/5.0):. Processed in 3.942379 secs); 03 Jan 2020 03:24:37 -0000 X-Envelope-From: dana@dana.is X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _netblocks.google.com designates 209.85.219.169 as permitted sender) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vhkmkgfoaTsSvejLPNLEET0pCBG2LuI9rW57aPlAVHg=; b=XD/2qBgzMDZ/GTnz1Dj2FSPWrvkq4j8jhJ5d52OPm1MxGb6zlM4YFI3svU/lLYikde Oe/FIZJL3sJ7f5l/p9vkw1cw4awN/hxmcdHXcAoB0RRx7XhdOUWVIUqAawZDkuXDX+5x PVYzPRTJH8RBx7mCYYyvEWnYQvQPx3JJc7o8tIVeExKJ+wgsHvyTnRy/p1l3Ghhkjz6a IPZ6yfeLFf3qDcS/WwouMbmzW4Ksd6NDVxeDNu6Ggg3dV7rYmjmG6bwXnsyedmigxhK5 VooLdT1khKIJB32B6+E9A+RoW0af5Ql/SEJJ73G9DIa3VnLj3T884TVF1AFYer5R4kRG R3WA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWPtQWFwY0cUlaXJ5WAvusIyXeHf6+tFq9V57cNVDsNUiHJNwaF OnoHcIv0CeC/TYrxdRHmPZz+QQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxdmgEooyRjY1PvEnCF8C0SrpOrUIJKZABQGpDwP/s3L4qJlNdxG/r/VXAsCF0GDvxxTcXXJQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5b:945:: with SMTP id x5mr67293ybq.193.1578021840103; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Official plugin manager? From: dana In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 21:26:08 -0600 Cc: Sebastian Gniazdowski , Daniel Shahaf , Zsh hackers list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <12F64C78-BFA2-460C-80D4-921F22C72F78@dana.is> References: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> <0C0C9775-59EE-4FBB-AB84-3E7FEF6E5024@dana.is> <186D63AE-2F2A-41C3-9E09-CEE0714E2B7F@dana.is> To: Bart Schaefer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) On 2 Jan 2020, at 20:43, Sebastian Gniazdowski = wrote: > Well yes, because I suspect that there will be a rough time on > establishing what the defaults are supposed to be. Right, from what i've heard, that has been an issue in the past. But it = needs to be done to address this. OMZ did it. I really do think that novice users don't understand the significance of = the choices you seem to be proposing (obv), and they don't want to spend 45 minutes tapping through a wizard to have it explained to them, either. = When they run zsh for the first time, they just want to see what it can *do* = =E2=80=94 they can change their history-file path later, if they want. On 2 Jan 2020, at 20:45, Bart Schaefer = wrote: > It has been our long-standing practice to recommend that package > builders/installers do NOT create /etc/z* files, or make them minimal, > so as not to interfere with users own initialization files. Maybe > it's time to relax that, or at least to provide a suggested skeleton > .zshrc -- which we could connect to zsh-newuser-install to be slurped > in without having to go through all the questions if you just want to > "feel lucky". The latter is what i'm suggesting, yeah. Dumb down the wizard a bit, add = a flashy option to the first screen that says 'do the cool things = (recommended)' or whatever, and have it install a well-commented .zshrc with the = settings that that a novice/casual user would look for. On 2 Jan 2020, at 20:45, Bart Schaefer = wrote: > I've been noodling with a default completion setup module for a while > (though haven't worked on it in months) and we could certainly do a > better job of exposing the prompt theme system since pretty prompts > apparently are what many people go looking at OMZ to find. I think that would help dana