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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: "zsh-workers@zsh.org" <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Cc: Tomoki Sekiyama <tomoki.sekiyama@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Enable further expansion of parameter name by ${!...}
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:39:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <150125133931.ZM32124@torch.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10496951422218331@web21g.yandex.ru>

On Jan 25, 11:38pm, ZyX wrote:
} Subject: Re: [PATCH] Enable further expansion of parameter name by ${!...}
}
} 25.01.2015, 23:25, "Bart Schaefer" <schaefer@brasslantern.com>:
} >
} > Don't we already have something like this for ksh emulation?  Except that
} > it acts like (k) instead of like (P)?  Although I can't find this in the
} > documentation anywhere, right at the moment.
} 
} I have ksh installed and here `${!VAR}` outputs `VAR` regardless of
} whether $VAR is defined and what type and what value does it have.

I thought I recalled something about that.  So it would appear that
whatever interpretation we're giving it already in ksh mode, is wrong.

} [Manual page][1] says that it should actually expand to "the name of
} the variable referred to by vname" and says that this will be `VAR`
} unless it is a name reference (I have only tried strings, arrays and
} associative arrays).
}
} [1]: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ksh+1

So it would appear that ${!var} in bash is ${(P)var} (just tried it, it
does so) where as ${!var} in ksh inhibits the expansion of a nameref
to its value and instead just prints the name to which the nameref
refers, which in zsh is [usually] just ${var}.

Interesting thing I didn't know about namerefs -- if you do

nameref foo=bar
nameref bar=baz

then the nameref for $foo is broken (${!foo} prints ".deleted"), but
if you do it the other way round

nameref bar=baz
nameref foo=bar

then ${!foo} prints "baz" and ${foo} gives the value of ${baz}.

-- 
Barton E. Schaefer


  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-25 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-25  9:15 Tomoki Sekiyama
2015-01-25 18:14 ` Peter Stephenson
2015-01-25 18:23   ` Mikael Magnusson
2015-01-25 20:24 ` Bart Schaefer
2015-01-25 20:38   ` ZyX
2015-01-25 21:39     ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2015-01-26 20:00       ` Tomoki Sekiyama
2015-01-26 20:44         ` ZyX
2015-01-27  5:48         ` Bart Schaefer
2015-01-28  3:21           ` Tomoki Sekiyama
2015-01-28 18:41             ` Bart Schaefer
2016-11-11 16:58           ` Bart Schaefer

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