From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] Can't mark unset variables as read-only
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:57:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <150429205721.ZM31962@torch.brasslantern.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5540F9B6.5020805@case.edu>
On Apr 29, 11:33am, Chet Ramey wrote:
} Subject: Re: [BUG] Can't mark unset variables as read-only
}
} > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 06:55:56 -0700
} > Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:
} >
} >> On Apr 29, 11:36am, Peter Stephenson wrote:
} >> }
} >> } +Note that in zsh (unlike other shells) it is still possible
} >> } +to create a local variable of the same name as this is considered a
} >> } +different variable (though this variable, too, can be marked readonly).
} >>
} >> Hrm, I wonder if that, combined with "typeset" automatically creating
} >> locals when called in a function context (also a POSIX incompatibility?)
}
} It's not a Posix incompatibility; Posix does not specify typeset or local
} variables at all. The Posix-conformant ways of declaring variables in a
} function result in global variables, as Posix specifies.
Thanks for refreshing my memory there.
} >> defeats the whole purpose of an unset readonly?
}
} The question is whether or not you can use local variables to `shadow'
} readonly variables in a previous scope. Bash doesn't allow you to do
} that.
This discussion has reminded me another thing I forgot: for variables
that have defined meaning to the shell ("special" variables) zsh allows
shadowing of a readonly special only if the "-h" (hide) flag is passed
to "local" or one of its equivalents (integer, declare, etc.).
} If the purpose of readonly is to make a particular name/value pair
} immutable, I think that allowing a local variable to shadow it,
} especially if you're going to export that local variable, is a bad thing.
Here's a curious data point: In ksh, functions declared with POSIX
syntax "name() { ...; }" treat readonly from the surrounding scope the
way bash does. Those declared "function name { ...; }" treat readonly
the way zsh does, allowing shadowing in the local scope.
Maybe zsh needs yet another POSIX_* option.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-30 3:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-29 6:35 Martijn Dekker
2015-04-29 10:36 ` Peter Stephenson
2015-04-29 10:57 ` Mikael Magnusson
2015-04-29 11:01 ` Mikael Magnusson
2015-04-30 0:08 ` PATCH: Don't define internal params directly in hook function scope Mikael Magnusson
2015-04-30 4:01 ` Bart Schaefer
2015-04-30 8:44 ` Peter Stephenson
2015-04-30 11:18 ` Peter Stephenson
2015-04-29 11:09 ` Local readonly specials (was: Can't mark unset variables as read-only) Peter Stephenson
2015-04-29 13:46 ` [BUG] Can't mark unset variables as read-only Martijn Dekker
2015-04-29 13:55 ` Bart Schaefer
2015-04-29 14:41 ` Peter Stephenson
2015-04-29 15:33 ` Chet Ramey
2015-04-29 19:09 ` Stephane Chazelas
2015-04-29 23:22 ` Chet Ramey
2015-04-30 3:57 ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
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2015-04-29 5:48 Martijn Dekker
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