From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 14e3b0a1 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 01:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26631 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2020 01:34:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 45202 Received: (qmail 23843 invoked by uid 1010); 3 Jan 2020 01:34:38 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.102.1/25677. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(209.85.219.175):SA:0(-1.9/5.0):. Processed in 2.183576 secs); 03 Jan 2020 01:34:38 -0000 X-Envelope-From: dana@dana.is X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: pass (ns1.primenet.com.au: SPF record at _netblocks.google.com designates 209.85.219.175 as permitted sender) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=C256LQ/LXYIwdMDmAddgnMd+h94FHt6lbivS/nx71Hg=; b=FDCI1h6uS5uO3zqwI7AwCi5dwxIwOlkUWCcwFOUDAPynUPO/Sxlxi/I0UMo2UXSFzz 43ei2M/5i2rQV1GlQJk4pR1JBdMO/e8eZh+SRSitJwfvA20YdglBqHc9AEo7UWuGfig2 2PWZg2SXLwohr4m9G/BGoo+LYiPoiNd/3dR/t4L4OUuQsHzMYUZPkf8xC5TfgX84B6fn 2kKbgS0ka+iDSqKu1l7qLu9XzkDKLgPyx9lrdOKYkvrVJ4mV5/mYpkGsiKTM86o1eZe2 n63pQ3cKA2lxmoyZgFKS+1TAK8poXrcRdK9/4PL6Wmx0BM36nkyrTBQ4J8q4P08mix1n I+6w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW9/TNGzGs91188ESAIBQ2/2XuBBm3S9+vM5fstjK2FGPdjNA// 4K+IiGfWRBme2fSiVc01WhoUfw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwzkyHMFA9Bad0QFENRbEF5IC0D8KRLR6cL5QUe0T6+bH5mJu328n3OSgJzAx3JJ752XN4sBA== X-Received: by 2002:a25:a06:: with SMTP id 6mr65386719ybk.359.1578015242581; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Official plugin manager? From: dana In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:36:09 -0600 Cc: Daniel Shahaf , Zsh hackers list Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <186D63AE-2F2A-41C3-9E09-CEE0714E2B7F@dana.is> References: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> <0C0C9775-59EE-4FBB-AB84-3E7FEF6E5024@dana.is> To: Sebastian Gniazdowski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) On 2 Jan 2020, at 18:25, Sebastian Gniazdowski = wrote: > I think that this hits a wall of having a choice. "Hey, I just want a > *reasonable* p-m to get all the plugins, as that's what actually > matters, isn't it? Why do I have to decide on the p-m, if I'm going to > do this properly then I'll at least enter 'best zsh plugin manager' in > Google, and this means work, work, lost time and large impatience > intake. And then the slight discomfort of not diving into the topic > enough deep and deciding on a p-m mostly by its cool name - hey, am I > really using the p-m that I should?" Is the problem you're trying to solve 'people don't know which plug-in = manager to use' or 'people don't know how to configure zsh so they just install = OMZ'? The one you're describing here is the former. Once they *have* a plug-in manager, they can install whatever they want, and they seem to want OMZ. = (It's even the first example in the Antigen documentation...) On 2 Jan 2020, at 18:25, Sebastian Gniazdowski = wrote: > OK, however, the sourcables-backend to zsh-newuser-install is IMO > needed first. Then the install function could offer to append: > > zsh-pm pick=3Dnodups.zsh param=3D'size -> 10000' @history > > to the zshrc. You've responded to me saying 'instead of providing fine control over = the profile set-up it could simply give them some good defaults' with 'OK, = but first we need to add more complexity in order to provide finer control = over the profile set-up' Also, your example command is about 20 characters longer, and = significantly harder to read or to transfer into a broader understanding of how the = shell configuration works, than just setting it the normal way. How would this address the difficulty me and Roman described re: not understanding the implications of the wizard? dana