Default option settings

Default option settings

[Zoltan Hidvegi]

I think that we should make the default zsh option settings more
user-frendly.  Here are my candidates which may be turned on by default:

LIST_TYPES AUTO_LIST LIST_AMBIGUOUS ALWAYS_LAST_PROMPT AUTO_MENU
AUTO_PARAM_KEYS AUTO_REMOVE_SLASH AUTO_PARAM_SLASH APPEND_HISTORY NO_HUP

Of course option settings are a question of taste.  Not everyone will like
it but I think most of us agree that the current defaults are quite
inconvinient.

Zoltan

Re: Default option settings

[gwing]

Zoltan Hidvegi wrote:
:I think that we should make the default zsh option settings more
:user-frendly.  Here are my candidates which may be turned on by default:
:LIST_TYPES AUTO_LIST LIST_AMBIGUOUS ALWAYS_LAST_PROMPT AUTO_MENU
:AUTO_PARAM_KEYS AUTO_REMOVE_SLASH AUTO_PARAM_SLASH APPEND_HISTORY NO_HUP
:Of course option settings are a question of taste.  Not everyone will like
:it but I think most of us agree that the current defaults are quite
:inconvinient.

My Opinion:
I have most of these set in my global zshrc, but one I don't support as a
default option is NO_HUP.  If people know enough to want it, fine - but for
the average user I don't believe it should be automatically enabled.
If people exit/hang up, their programs should get a HUP signal.  That's
the whole point of the system.  If they want to keep things around, they
should use disown (like me) or set NO_HUP themselves.
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Re: Default option settings

[Richard Coleman]

> :I think that we should make the default zsh option settings more
> :user-frendly.  Here are my candidates which may be turned on by default:
> :LIST_TYPES AUTO_LIST LIST_AMBIGUOUS ALWAYS_LAST_PROMPT AUTO_MENU
> :AUTO_PARAM_KEYS AUTO_REMOVE_SLASH AUTO_PARAM_SLASH APPEND_HISTORY NO_HUP
> :Of course option settings are a question of taste.  Not everyone will like
> :it but I think most of us agree that the current defaults are quite
> :inconvinient.
> 
> I have most of these set in my global zshrc, but one I don't support as a
> default option is NO_HUP.  If people know enough to want it, fine - but for
> the average user I don't believe it should be automatically enabled.
> If people exit/hang up, their programs should get a HUP signal.  That's
> the whole point of the system.  If they want to keep things around, they
> should use disown (like me) or set NO_HUP themselves.

I have to agree.  NO_HUP should not be on by default.  Too many of
my users log out and expect their apps to be killed for them.  But
the other options seem ok.

Also, Zoltan, I noticed you named the new beta as just zsh-3.1.0.
You should probably call it something like zsh-3.1-beta1, or put
it in a testing subdirectory.  I expect plenty of people will not
realize it's a beta version.  Many people will not see that it's
symlink'ed to zsh-beta and install it as a production version.
(We all know there are plenty of incompetent sysadmins out there).

rc

Re: Default option settings

[Zoltan Hidvegi]

> Also, Zoltan, I noticed you named the new beta as just zsh-3.1.0.
> You should probably call it something like zsh-3.1-beta1, or put
> it in a testing subdirectory.  I expect plenty of people will not
> realize it's a beta version.  Many people will not see that it's
> symlink'ed to zsh-beta and install it as a production version.

The beta status is mentioned at the very beginning of the README and in the
announcement.  The 3.1.0 version number has several advantages:

1. it is easier to parse from a script
2. it is now identical to the RCS branch revision number
3. it is compatible with the Linux version numbering :-)

I can rename the tar.gz distribution to something like
zsh-3.1.1-beta.tar.gz and leave the ZSH_VERSION variable as 3.1.1.

> (We all know there are plenty of incompetent sysadmins out there).

Yes, unfortunately :-((.  I know several Unix sysadmins who do not know
even the very basics of Unix.  But these sysadmins rarely try to install
zsh.  And even if they install, zsh-3.1.0 should be quite stable without
--enable-dynamic (it's not the default for exactly this reason).

Zoltan