From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3037 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1999 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from sunsite.auc.dk (130.225.51.30) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 30 Nov 1999 15:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19601 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1999 15:10:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.auc.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 8821 Received: (qmail 19594 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1999 15:10:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:10:10 +0000 From: Adam Spiers To: zsh-workers@sunsite.auc.dk Subject: Re: zsh-announce moderators still alive? Message-ID: <19991130151010.B28928@thelonious.new.ox.ac.uk> Reply-To: Adam Spiers Mail-Followup-To: zsh-workers@sunsite.auc.dk References: <19991130141425.A28583@thelonious.new.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: X-URL: http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~adam/ X-OS: Linux 2.2.12 i686 Zefram (zefram@fysh.org) wrote: > Adam Spiers wrote: > >I just had two emails I sent to zsh-announce returned to me, because > >no moderators had acted on them in time. Are there any moderators out > >there? What should I do? > > I'm still a moderator, and I'm here. I deliberately abstained on the > question of whether your messages were suitable for -announce. (On the > whole I think they wouldn't be of much interest outside -workers.) Hmm. I'd be inclined to say that, on the contrary, they wouldn't be of much interest /inside/ -workers, since everyone on workers is either using the public CVS tree, or keeping track of the patches themselves. And it's a well-known phenomenon that these days there are lots of people who like to live on the bleeding edge without necessarily actively participating in development, usually because they like having all the latest bells and whistles. Many software projects spring to my mind which make daily snapshot tarballs (and even binary builds) available for this reason. I also already know several people that make use of these snapshots. The only serious problem I see with zsh is that the number of people that use it doesn't do justice to its quality. I would like to see it having much more exposure to the community in general; personally I find it a crying shame that not many people reap the benefits of such a wonderful shell, but even if a developer isn't particularly bothered by this, he should still agree that exposure is a good thing simply because this means more testing of the code. This all applies /especially/ to the development version, since the `bleeding edge fans' I mentioned above are a particularly valuable resource to developers if harnessed properly. So that's why I bothered setting up these snapshots, and considering the ahem, not exactly high level of traffic on zsh-announce, why I thought it would be worthwhile mentioning there. I guess I'll just mention it on zsh-users instead. Sorry, I keep diluting the patch/post ratio. I'll shut up now :-) P.S. No answers about the out of date website yet?