From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14774 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2022 03:03:29 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Oct 2022 03:03:29 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1664939010; b=VMUk7WnRzEa1D9pPKAh09vPTC3XKqYAxilxlhxIgs3VlrrpUXuI8JT4ic2NiGk2XMQgIy1+5Jg jT/Jq2LryemqdJzOLu/gQiKyraKl36LqMSCnbgeEjitKu7J2dsqOMS0z6YdofwMxVwZYrYl62J q7KrYH/sesH8BPzFWwDAhpRxlFvQUNNvQCANH2EAeHEtM3qK47mJuL/sGPJ37hNSOauupFgUSW Cb9z+4qq4bz4sFkLGGvig6eCdCgsbaz+1Rw7uFxMVUNHmAqsHU9MLXeSr45iEeqaFRa/+w2bXN AFB9ifKu7Hx94mBuvRjyvjUg7DtuSA/DaGh6O98eSUtAnA==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (mail-40134.protonmail.ch) smtp.remote-ip=185.70.40.134; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.a=rsa-sha256; dmarc=pass header.from=protonmail.com; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1664939010; bh=NBvsIkKtu4gH4Sq4us7JSbnYad48T4PgqubAxHNkCiw=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version: Message-ID:Subject:Cc:From:To:DKIM-Signature:Date:DKIM-Signature; b=hIGwwDK/bp5hyRpt5oLaTa9hQnU+Te6yb4fz0Y2Bg3xlvf5lbUVCMje/Kfn1XavnDNjqVskeZm oD89iDCSF1xUsdU3O06ZIgYeLIe67vDyJJX6pRFnLfeXH3wVRzTVGhAKPPr7dInbMJLfcQ9q16 HvgxGfwYzpwEIuYZJfqLe1rdr7UqyW+gBptSkA+dsoJ4gSHKa3aBIMrtr/g6/rtRxuI18fo/1F cZVjE16gvmuyuZftXEgiGCxwU3ecq3vLECe+ukJegSbAbcQCxppA9RMtNwlmI915qUNpbHwotb r8/0SMPdeudK05ss/mIxWXGKkTaqOBZ88Icxd3cQ2SHtRQ==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:From:To:Date:Reply-To: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References; bh=bs3T4iCavaF9L0N3Umcj5WvNg7kbQ/oJPe02/KHmHxg=; b=ATu0slFu9Br3j23b1OKGt2hLF+ Jm2yrv0XXoNlAjEPcn6DjVl2GlbPatbvZy+ZU6v6+1Ib8qNH1WhNTn+8xya2EpmyPIl52iCfyEMuq hWOl9p4mRa5aZnOUImw2kIBA5GF2f/4+Gsw65e7UtJEtTdoeiKDVeEqOT+xSqVf/ZO/SzhCZ/WOlp 2pj0iTITpO9/v/2j0c7qzGkVlfX18S2xebXKeeR56/mvwUB9J1xA9ekOi8t/YKIwKwdMfywBwsQ+/ lvzzM7hGrrwM3h8HnZgYiCpI/4ejK5AfnFXqnEYAsZqnd/nrDeWi3tB/ROD9X+TGZQJievtgGWgx8 EcWoLi9g==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1ofugy-000GK1-QM; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 03:03:28 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (mail-40134.protonmail.ch) smtp.remote-ip=185.70.40.134; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.a=rsa-sha256; dmarc=pass header.from=protonmail.com; arc=none Received: from mail-40134.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.134]:33737) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1ofugI-000FzO-0u; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 03:02:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 03:02:37 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1664938965; x=1665198165; bh=bs3T4iCavaF9L0N3Umcj5WvNg7kbQ/oJPe02/KHmHxg=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=iGMBp7Qc8q3yCZi16em3M/knywtQzXTIBuys8VIL6sYIjpEm+KdmVFTnDhxzeJCV7 sqQK+Q7/aHQ89O0BsrlLSX6zjAEDXdgNmwADhpHZ91jLRdmqxuRJNmeWctS7aF5L3d 6EFV+02pW2Dt3jmDLk6Ku2RpNz0DyZsODvOQoyDguaVHDTjLMIedBEUrMgbufLJRh6 x3X3Vcy5fUiPwwqZj364y8E/emd8koxgEaSl21TNsLNsLhbdHPMrMlwgY73ZMhn3/H fH7P0avHHq8uTVcR8jQYYAWAwAy/CpunFGEKxSCzsHkmW3ojtlUqegZKYr98aUNcx8 keJ9H5xFpB9eQ== To: Daniel Shahaf From: Wesley Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: The request of words matter updated Message-ID: <1df0ee8a-e36f-4a6e-588c-626f5f867da0@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 16775156:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Seq: 50743 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 10/4/22 03:05, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Wesley wrote on Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 15:27:49 +0000: >> >> On 9/28/22 12:34, Peter Stephenson wrote: >> >>> Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vo= te >>> at one of the websites that do that? Given no technical change results >>> from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no >>> sign of a consensus. >> >> Do you need consensus on this change? I mean, if someone provided a >> patch that changes master/slave to something else that makes sense >> because they want to stay clear of those words, would it not be >> accepted? > > pws posted such a patch upthread. I read the message, but didn't see the patch below it. My bad. >> The change is essentially a refactor and should pass all the tests.. > > Any change has costs. In this case, the change might shadow or unshadow > another symbol (pws checked that for the terms his patch uses), would be > one more manual step for any future =C2=ABblame=C2=BB or =C2=ABlog=C2= =BB run, would > necessitate a rebase for anyone who has local patches to zpty.c, and > would introduce a https://xkcd.com/927/ problem to anyone reading zsh's > pseudo-terminal module's C source file. That is a thing, the linux man page are still using master and slave (as stated in 50669). A rebase for those who have custom patches.. it is a cost that they already have since they have forked the project. @Sunny (OP) How is IBM treating the Linux manual page(s), either via RHEL/SUSE or LinuxOne? Cheers, Wesley -- Wesley Schwengle