Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Sven Wischnowsky]

Bart Schaefer wrote:

> On Mar 29, 12:11am, Adam Spiers wrote:
> } Subject: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)
> }
> } Bart and Sven will presumably want to register accounts soon
> 
> I've got one; it's "barts" because "schaefer" was taken.

I've got one, too; it's "wischnow" because "puck" was taken ;-)

> } Do we want to keep the mailing lists and web pages hosted at
> } sunsite.auc.dk?
> 
> For now, I think so.  Nothing's seriously broken and I fear that trying
> to move it would cause something to become so (not by any fault of
> sourceforge's, but nevertheless).

But in the long run?

I mostly mean the web pages, though, because they could certainly be
made nicer (although that wouldn't require moving them to sourceforge, 
of course); didn't someone lately offer to...

Bye
 Sven


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Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Oliver Kiddle]

Sven Wischnowsky wrote:
> 
> I mostly mean the web pages, though, because they could certainly be
> made nicer (although that wouldn't require moving them to sourceforge,
> of course); didn't someone lately offer to...

Yes, I recently offered to help with the web pages though what I had in
mind was primarily ensuring that it remained up-to-date and leaving the
current lynx friendly layout mostly as it is - I wasn't going to tart it
up with lots or pretty graphics if that's what you mean by 'made nicer'.

Karsten created me an account but I can't get it to work. I can login to
it if I use a username of 'opk' (instead of the 'pbk' which was the
username Karsten quoted in his e-mail) but I can't do a 'co zsh' command
- I get:
Fatal error, aborting.
opk@u.genie.co.uk: no such user

Does anyone who understands cvs have any idea as to what the cause of
this is. My guess is that either:
1. my company 's firewall is getting in the way. Which ports does CVS
use?
2. my CVS installation is wrong. It was done direct from a debian .deb
package by a friend who has a Linux box on the company's main network.
The RS/6000s I generally use for work are on a secure network so I can't
try from them.
3. Karsten made a mistake while creating the account. Fairly possible
seeing as he muddled my initials around and may have been in a rush - he
said he was very busy.

Karsten: if you get a chance, can you check the account setup.

I'm going to get a modem soon so will have internet access at home again
so hopefully that will solve a few problems. I can't actually access
sourceforge from the company network due to the firewall though I do
have an account (opk).

Oliver Kiddle

Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Ollivier Robert]

According to Oliver Kiddle:
> 1. my company 's firewall is getting in the way. Which ports does CVS
> use?

2401 for pserver operations.
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Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Oliver Kiddle <opk@u.genie.co.uk> writes:

> Sven Wischnowsky wrote:
> > 
> > I mostly mean the web pages, though, because they could certainly be
> > made nicer (although that wouldn't require moving them to sourceforge,
> > of course); didn't someone lately offer to...
> 
> Yes, I recently offered to help with the web pages though what I had in
> mind was primarily ensuring that it remained up-to-date and leaving the
> current lynx friendly layout mostly as it is - I wasn't going to tart it
> up with lots or pretty graphics if that's what you mean by 'made nicer'.
> 
> Karsten created me an account but I can't get it to work. I can login to
> it if I use a username of 'opk' (instead of the 'pbk' which was the
> username Karsten quoted in his e-mail) but I can't do a 'co zsh' command
> - I get:
> Fatal error, aborting.
> opk@u.genie.co.uk: no such user
> 
> Does anyone who understands cvs have any idea as to what the cause of
> this is. My guess is that either:
> 1. my company 's firewall is getting in the way. Which ports does CVS
> use?
> 2. my CVS installation is wrong. It was done direct from a debian .deb
> package by a friend who has a Linux box on the company's main network.
> The RS/6000s I generally use for work are on a secure network so I can't
> try from them.
> 3. Karsten made a mistake while creating the account. Fairly possible
> seeing as he muddled my initials around and may have been in a rush - he
> said he was very busy.
> 
> Karsten: if you get a chance, can you check the account setup.
> 
> I'm going to get a modem soon so will have internet access at home again
> so hopefully that will solve a few problems. I can't actually access
> sourceforge from the company network due to the firewall though I do
> have an account (opk).
> 
> Oliver Kiddle
> 

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Pasadena, CA USA                                  --Chmouel

Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Kevin Sullivan]

Chmouel Boudjnah writes:
> Oliver Kiddle <opk@u.genie.co.uk> writes:
> 
> > Sven Wischnowsky wrote:
> > > 
> > > I mostly mean the web pages, though, because they could certainly be
> > > made nicer (although that wouldn't require moving them to sourceforge,
> > > of course); didn't someone lately offer to...
> > 
> > Yes, I recently offered to help with the web pages though what I had in
> > mind was primarily ensuring that it remained up-to-date and leaving the
> > current lynx friendly layout mostly as it is - I wasn't going to tart it
> > up with lots or pretty graphics if that's what you mean by 'made nicer'.
> > 
> > Karsten created me an account but I can't get it to work. I can login to
> > it if I use a username of 'opk' (instead of the 'pbk' which was the
> > username Karsten quoted in his e-mail) but I can't do a 'co zsh' command
> > - I get:
> > Fatal error, aborting.
> > opk@u.genie.co.uk: no such user
> > 
> > Does anyone who understands cvs have any idea as to what the cause of
> > this is. My guess is that either:
> > 1. my company 's firewall is getting in the way. Which ports does CVS
> > use?
> > 2. my CVS installation is wrong. It was done direct from a debian .deb
> > package by a friend who has a Linux box on the company's main network.
> > The RS/6000s I generally use for work are on a secure network so I can't
> > try from them.
> > 3. Karsten made a mistake while creating the account. Fairly possible
> > seeing as he muddled my initials around and may have been in a rush - he
> > said he was very busy.
> > 
> > Karsten: if you get a chance, can you check the account setup.
> > 
> > I'm going to get a modem soon so will have internet access at home again
> > so hopefully that will solve a few problems. I can't actually access
> > sourceforge from the company network due to the firewall though I do
> > have an account (opk).

When I was doing this I used these commands to access the CVS
archive.. 
cvs -d :pserver:kevins@sunsite.auc.dk:/pack/anoncvs login
cvs -d :pserver:kevins@sunsite.auc.dk:/pack/anoncvs checkout zsh

Now you should replace kevins@sunsite.auc.dk with opk@sunsite.auc.dk

This worked fine for me just now...

Kevin Sullivan
kevins@pac-software.com
PAC Software Engineering, Inc.

Phone:      (978) 363-5294
Cell Phone: (508) 523-4295
Fax:        (617) 747-3597

Finger kevins@kevins.ne.mediaone.net for my PGP public key.
Use cell phone during normal business hours.

Re: SourceForge Project Approved (fwd)

[Karsten Thygesen]

>>>>> "Oliver" == Oliver Kiddle <opk@u.genie.co.uk> writes:

Oliver> Karsten created me an account but I can't get it to work. I
Oliver> can login to it if I use a username of 'opk' (instead of the
Oliver> 'pbk' which was the username Karsten quoted in his e-mail) but
Oliver> I can't do a 'co zsh' command
Oliver> - I get:
Oliver> Fatal error, aborting.  opk@u.genie.co.uk: no such user

I made a quote error - your login is opk as requested - sorry!

Oliver> Does anyone who understands cvs have any idea as to what the
Oliver> cause of this is. My guess is that either:
Oliver> 1. my company 's firewall is getting in the way. Which ports
Oliver>    does CVS
Oliver> use?
Oliver> 2. my CVS installation is wrong. It was done direct from a
Oliver>    debian .deb
Oliver> package by a friend who has a Linux box on the company's main
Oliver> network.  The RS/6000s I generally use for work are on a
Oliver> secure network so I can't try from them.
Oliver> 3. Karsten made a mistake while creating the account. Fairly
Oliver>    possible
Oliver> seeing as he muddled my initials around and may have been in a
Oliver> rush - he said he was very busy.

Well - it was just a quote error.

Oliver> Karsten: if you get a chance, can you check the account setup.

Try:

cvs -d :pserver:opk@sunsite.auc.dk:/pack/anoncvs login
<enter your password>

cvs -d :pserver:opk@sunsite.auc.dk:/pack/anoncvs co zsh

It should work just fine. Do not use yuor email address as login name.

Karsten

web pages

[Oliver Kiddle]

Right I'm now in business with the main web pages. Thanks Karsten - it
now works after that second fix.

I've added a new news item about the SourceForge move. Now that I look
at it again, I'm not sure that I worded it as well as I might have done
but never mind. Peter: is your e-mail address on the about page
out-of-date; zsh@sunsite.auc.dk is also forwarding to ifh - atleast
according to the list Karsten sent me when he first added me)? I think
we should add a page describing how to get at the CVS stuff. I was going
to base it on the thing Adam wrote around the end of last year(?)
updated for SourceForge but if anyone thinks they can do a good job of
it (until recently I knew nothing about cvs) then please do. I'm not
sure where the CVS would fit under the main headings.

The Contributions page could probably have a few additions. I'll trawl
through the mailing list archives when I get time for any suitable
scripts. Does anyone object to me adding scripts that they posted under
their name on the page?

When I commited the couple of changes to CVS, I was prompted for some
text. I gave it a one-line description of the change I made is this what
I was supposed to do?

Does anyone know if we can use the sourceforge web area as a mirror of
the main pages with them automatically updated using cron or whatever?

We could probably do with a few examples of ZLE widgets. Those in the
main archive are all fairly complicated and aren't the best place to
start someone off. I have a few simple widgets - for example:

copy-last-word() {
  setopt localoptions noksharrays

  local words
  words=( "${=LBUFFER}" )
  if [[ $LASTWIDGET = copy-last-word ]] && (( clwcount > -$#words ));
then
    (( clwcount-- ))
  else
    (( clwcount=-2 ))
  fi
  LBUFFER="${LBUFFER%$words[-1]}$words[clwcount]"
}
This is like copy-prev-word but doesn't take the current unfinished word
and cycles through the previous words.

Where should this sort of thing be - in the distribution, on the web
page or in /dev/null? Does anyone else have any widgets they would like
to share?

I also have a number of AIX and IRIX specific completions as well as
some which are specific to particular commercial applications (e.g.
Rational Apex). Where should this sort of thing go?

I think we ought to have some way of sharing such things but there
should probably be a limit as to what goes into the main zsh
distribution. Can we have separate CVS distributions on SourceForge.
Maybe we should have a separately maintained package for miscellanous
completions. Despite saying that I'm not very convinced myself that it
would be a good idea. I always hate it when I come to download a program
and find that I need 15 separate libraries and macro packages.

Don't be suprised if I seem to be a bit inactive on the web pages over
the coming few weeks but I over the longer term, I hope that won't be
the case - I'm away for the coming weekends and have a holiday in the US
coming up. My one account on a Linux box on the internet may disappear
soon (and with it the host I ran cvs from) though I will have access
from home soon. Am I likely to cause problems (messing up file
permissions etc) by running cvs from a win32 machine as a temporary
measure?

If anyone has any suggestions related to the web pages then please speak
up.

Oliver Kiddle

Re: web pages

[Adam Spiers]

Oliver Kiddle (opk@u.genie.co.uk) wrote:
> I've added a new news item about the SourceForge move.

You might want to update the date stamp to the right of the `News'
link on the main page too.

> I think we should add a page describing how to get at the CVS
> stuff. I was going to base it on the thing Adam wrote around the end
> of last year(?)  updated for SourceForge but if anyone thinks they
> can do a good job of it (until recently I knew nothing about cvs)
> then please do.

There's no need to write this; just link to

  http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=4068

like I've done from my page (the accuracy of which, incidentally, I'm
maintaining reasonably regularly).

> The Contributions page could probably have a few additions. I'll trawl
> through the mailing list archives when I get time for any suitable
> scripts. Does anyone object to me adding scripts that they posted under
> their name on the page?

No objection from me; you could include my .zshrc if you want, which
is always at:

  http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~adam/computing/zsh/files/.zshrc

You could also include a link to my zsh page

  http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/~adam/computing/zsh/

under `Useful links', although I'm beginning to sound like an
egocentric maniac, so never let it be said I forced you into it ;-)

> When I commited the couple of changes to CVS, I was prompted for some
> text. I gave it a one-line description of the change I made is this what
> I was supposed to do?

Yes.  It doesn't have to be one line, but brief is good.

> Does anyone know if we can use the sourceforge web area as a mirror of
> the main pages with them automatically updated using cron or whatever?

Yes, we could.  Mirroring via rsync would be best, if it's possible.

> I also have a number of AIX and IRIX specific completions as well as
> some which are specific to particular commercial applications (e.g.
> Rational Apex). Where should this sort of thing go?

Personally I really like the `out-of-the-box-ness' of the new
completion system, and would like to see that continue as much as
possible.  We already have a few platform-specific completions, and
adding more are hardly doing any harm.

> I always hate it when I come to download a program and find that I
> need 15 separate libraries and macro packages.

Exactly.

> If anyone has any suggestions related to the web pages then please speak
> up.

I'm not too keen on the `Distribution' section.  When I was first
looking for the downloads bit, my eye completely missed this.  Could
we change it to `Downloads', with sub-headings as `Mirrors' and
`Mirror contents' respectively?

Adam

Re: web pages

[Sven Wischnowsky]

Adam Spiers wrote:

> Oliver Kiddle (opk@u.genie.co.uk) wrote:
>
> ...
> 
> > I also have a number of AIX and IRIX specific completions as well as
> > some which are specific to particular commercial applications (e.g.
> > Rational Apex). Where should this sort of thing go?
> 
> Personally I really like the `out-of-the-box-ness' of the new
> completion system, and would like to see that continue as much as
> possible.  We already have a few platform-specific completions, and
> adding more are hardly doing any harm.

Agreed. And people who have platform-dependent completion functions
they want to add might want to start thinking about the final
directory layout... ;-)

Bye
 Sven


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