From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5661 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 15:17:39 -0000 Received: from sunsite.dk (130.225.51.30) by ns1.primenet.com.au with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 15:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 23947 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2001 15:17:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@sunsite.dk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes X-Seq: 15830 Received: (qmail 23929 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 15:17:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:17:25 -0400 From: Clint Adams To: Oliver Kiddle Cc: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk Subject: Re: Dedication Message-ID: <20010917111725.A14822@dman.com> References: <3BA601CD.A4B3A348@yahoo.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BA601CD.A4B3A348@yahoo.co.uk>; from okiddle@yahoo.co.uk on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 02:59:41PM +0100 > Many books include a dedication at their start and I don't see why > software is any less a part "meatspace" than a book. Sport is as > unrelated to politics yet there are events cancelled and Ferraris > driving around yesterday in plain red and a black nose. I'd only see it > as involvement if the wording was controversial. *sigh* I took some small comfort until recently that zsh-workers was the only mailing list I'm on where things of this nature weren't discussed as if it were on-topic. Many of my waking moments are wasted by the aftermath of whatever one would call the events getting so much attention. I can avoid the jingoistic hate speech by turning off the TV or walking away, depending on the source. I can delete the long threads on software project mailing lists calling for condemnation, letters of sympathy, webpage blackening, and other such gestures, and the flame wars over the propriety of such actions. I can wear a mask to make my lungs burn a little less when I have to breathe the fumes from the WTC fires and Con Ed generators. I'm digressing. I'd question the propriety of such a dedication in a book, whether "meatspace" or in "digital" form. I might view it as presumptuous. I question both the propriety and the value of the proposed dedication of a Z-Shell release. I vaguely recall Zefram urging some sort of action regarding one of many attacks on personal freedom, and it being regarded as none of our business. How are plane hijackings our business? No hard feelings if the dedication is made.