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From: Stephane Chazelas <Stephane_Chazelas@yahoo.fr>
To: Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@sunsite.dk>,
	Richard Hartmann <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com>,
	Peter Stephenson <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: arithmetic operator precedence
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:20:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080617132039.GK5016@sc.homeunix.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080617130246.GL10734@prunille.vinc17.org>

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 03:02:46PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
[...]
> It is unspecified. So, the shell is right to choose how it sees it.
> 
> > If $a contains an integer constant such as -3, then as per
> > POSIX, $((a * 3)) should be the same as $(($a * 3)), that is
> > $((-3 * 3)).
> 
> No, POSIX does not say that. It happens to be the same thing here
> just because of the properties of *, but you can't deduce anything
> for extensions.

It says $((x)) is meant to be the same as $(($x)) which I
understand as any occurrance of a variable name (other than $-,
$?, $0... obviously) in $((...)) should be the same as if the $
was not ommited (when $x contains an integer constant).

That's a recent addition to the text. Only recent versions of
ash (BSD shs) support that for instance, which is why it has
been recommanded for a while to write it $(($x + 1)) instead of
$((x + 1)) in POSIX scripts. And I still use x=$(($x + 1)).

For newer ashes, $((x + 1)) is now accepted and note that you do
get an error in ash if $x is not an integer constant.

> And in practice, shells don't treat $((a * 3)) and
> $(($a * 3)) in the same way:
> 
> vin:~> a="1 + 1"
> vin:~> echo $((a * 3))
> 6
> vin:~> echo $(($a * 3))
> 4

But here, $a doesn't contain an integer constant, that's out of
the scope of POSIX.

> 
> > If we extend that to the non-POSIX **, that would be:
> > 
> > a=-3; $((a ** 2)) should be the same as $((-3 ** 2)).
> 
> No, if we extend POSIX in an intuitive way (see above), $((a ** 2))
> should be the same as $(((-3) ** 2)), hence 9. So, no problem with
> $((-3**2)) being -9.
[...]

No, POSIX does say that $((a ** 2)) is the same as $(($a ** 2))
because $a contains an integer constant, and that's $((-3**2)).

-- 
Stéphane


  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-17 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-12  9:57 Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-12 13:12 ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-12 13:40 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-12 14:47   ` Bart Schaefer
2008-06-12 15:01     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16  8:17       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16  8:07 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16 13:42   ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-16 13:59     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16 14:33       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17  9:19     ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17  9:45       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:24         ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:24           ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:38           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:43             ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 11:28               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:46                 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 12:05                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:37                   ` Jun T.
2008-06-19  9:54                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 16:00                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:20                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:14                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:58                     ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-19 12:29                       ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-19 16:04                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:10                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-19 16:27                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:25                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 17:20                             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:45             ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 11:38             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:19         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:57           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 12:35             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 12:46               ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 13:02                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 13:20                   ` Stephane Chazelas [this message]
2008-06-17 14:33                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:53                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:49                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:35                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:05                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:54       ` Vincent Lefevre

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