From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 375 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 2014 18:04:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: X-Seq: 33867 Received: (qmail 15732 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2014 18:04:12 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on f.primenet.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s= smtpout; bh=Ez6d8lX8kjzmC2ZrUBo7g49Z8SY=; b=XqMVOvQ9d/2oOEJpGI84 YGTFuvlaMBNseoy12wKaYOR7UkHv1QXqz3SdnH4ahmer+5feFzjQYQxKPzdkiQGl j/C8DPpT/prTsVM5Ii+UeaTP06opT5Mu0rc5p3nYxHBtw2ibI5cw3oM/Z+rsAxhR 9WHy9dYLrFJuiDuxXOocBc8= X-Sasl-enc: DtmBUHtlBOVORdBkz9UHInU22TuRbTCEIm11WRqAVWqY 1417802648 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:04:05 -0800 From: richo To: Ray Andrews Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: PATCH: default vi-mode key bindings Message-ID: <20141205180405.GB67487@xenia.local> References: <17052.1417717710@thecus.kiddle.eu> <141204231735.ZM9532@torch.brasslantern.com> <21098.1417785962@thecus.kiddle.eu> <5481EF6D.4060800@eastlink.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5481EF6D.4060800@eastlink.ca> X-PGP-Key: http://natalya.psych0tik.net/~richo/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) On 05/12/14 09:46 -0800, Ray Andrews wrote: >On 12/05/2014 05:26 AM, Oliver Kiddle wrote: > >>The type of person that would affect would need to like vi-style >>editing enough to use it in zsh without having ever been tempted >>into learning vim. Plenty of people use vi for quick edits from the >>terminal > >Pardon my absolute ignorance about what you guys are talking about. >Can someone give me some idea? vi is an editor that Martians like, >because it helps if you have three arms, yes? And Venusians like >emacs because the suckers on their tentacles can hit Ctrl+Alt+Esc+L+A >very easily. And they have wars over it. vi has insert mode and >command mode and such. Ok, but is any of that actually used at the >command line? Does anyone need/use 'command mode' when typing a >simple command? > > $ grep "The falcon cannot hear the falconer;" /Yeats/* > >What would one do with command mode there? Editing a novel, of >course, but a command line? Or does this mean that zsh somehow butts >itself right in to vi so that when editing a novel, 'vi-style' as set >by zsh is somehow active? Is that polite? And then there's vim mode >too but that's different from vi mode? I'm missing something >fundamental here. Please keep the holy wars off list. Yes, vi mode gets used. I use command mode a lot (These fingers only know how to vi). The mere existance of the feature and the people working on it should be self evident.