From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from primenet.com.au (ns1.primenet.com.au [203.24.36.2]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4f2ebfd5 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15166 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2020 20:49:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zsh-workers-help@zsh.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Id: Zsh Workers List List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: X-Seq: 45216 Received: (qmail 28142 invoked by uid 1010); 3 Jan 2020 20:49:33 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com by f.primenet.com.au (envelope-from , uid 7791) with qmail-scanner-2.11 (clamdscan: 0.102.1/25677. spamassassin: 3.4.2. Clear:RC:0(64.147.123.20):SA:0(-2.6/5.0):. Processed in 0.963852 secs); 03 Jan 2020 20:49:33 -0000 X-Envelope-From: d.s@daniel.shahaf.name X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: | X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: | Received-SPF: none (ns1.primenet.com.au: domain at daniel.shahaf.name does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrvdegfedgudegudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtugfgjggfse htkedttddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghnihgvlhcuufhhrghhrghfuceougdrshesuggr nhhivghlrdhshhgrhhgrfhdrnhgrmhgvqeenucfkphepjeelrddukedtrdehjedruddule enucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepugdrshesuggrnhhivghlrdhshhgrhhgrfhdr nhgrmhgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 20:48:56 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: Official plugin manager? Message-ID: <20200103204856.bv6f3dkqhtrjm6vm@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <63663202-4b1d-428a-b16b-5be1425e84ef@www.fastmail.com> <0C0C9775-59EE-4FBB-AB84-3E7FEF6E5024@dana.is> <186D63AE-2F2A-41C3-9E09-CEE0714E2B7F@dana.is> <12F64C78-BFA2-460C-80D4-921F22C72F78@dana.is> <1578063609.4581.6.camel@samsung.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1578063609.4581.6.camel@samsung.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Peter Stephenson wrote on Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 15:00:09 +0000: > On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 21:26 -0600, dana wrote: > > On 2 Jan 2020, at 20:45, Bart Schaefer wrote: > > > > > > It has been our long-standing practice to recommend that package > > > builders/installers do NOT create /etc/z* files, or make them minimal, > > > so as not to interfere with users own initialization files.  Maybe > > > it's time to relax that, or at least to provide a suggested skeleton > > > .zshrc -- which we could connect to zsh-newuser-install to be slurped > > > in without having to go through all the questions if you just want to > > > "feel lucky". > > The latter is what i'm suggesting, yeah. Dumb down the wizard a bit, add a > > flashy option to the first screen that says 'do the cool things (recommended)' > > or whatever, and have it install a well-commented .zshrc with the settings > > that that a novice/casual user would look for. > > I tend to agree with the thrust of this --- feedback over the years has > been quite strongly people don't want to do anything clever; the difficulty > remaining is what sort of basic set up to copy in instead.  But yes, > whatever that is it should probably be something prepared elsewhere and > copying in that should probably be the highlighted / default option. I agree: my take-away from the discussion is that there's room for a "sensible defaults" thingy (be it a zshrc template or a plugin). Shall we create a github/gitlab repo to work on that in? Cheers, Daniel P.S. Some ideas for what to have there: - compinit - PS1 (what to include? %m, %~, $SHLVL, %?, $(tty)? Probably have zstyle's or something to enable/disable parts of that.) - vcs_info [Some additional vcs_info settings? E.g., during rebases I show the topmost applied-patch (= the one that conflicted); I think that's not the default…] - a certain syntax highlighting plugin :P