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Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 4F5RxL6gdwzwp; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:15:34 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: Marlon Richert Cc: dana , Bart Schaefer , Zsh hackers list Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install Message-ID: <20210325011534.GD18178@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <20210225080519.GA22300@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <20210227132121.GA9308@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 48244 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Marlon Richert wrote on Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:00:17 +0200: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 3:21 PM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:05 AM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > > In general, there's , but > > > > I don't think we should rely on it. If we have a question to downstream > > > > maintainers, we should ask it on an appropriate mailing list — e.g., > > > > -workers@, or workers@ with an appropriate subject prefix/tag, or as > > > > a drive-by mention in the next email to announce@. > > > > They're just people. They maintain glue code that ties their distro's > > build system (ports(7), deb, rpm, …) to our tarballs, as well as any > > custom patches or configuration their distro uses. If you have > > a question for them, you can drop them a line and ask, or start a thread > > here and then drop them a line to make sure they're aware of it (not all > > downstream maintainers necessarily follow -workers@ closely). > > > > In the latter case I'd recommend to use some subject tag that downstream > > maintainers can simply filter their -workers@ subscription for on an > > ongoing basis, in order to remove the need for manual notifications in > > the future. > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:58 PM dana wrote: > > > > On 25 Feb 2021, at 02:05, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > In this specific case, however, which downstreams actually ship > > > a recommended zshrc? I suspect few do, so we can contact them directly. > > > > That's a good point, i think i was imagining further-reaching consequences > > than it will actually have when i first mentioned it. Anyway, Debian, Ubuntu, > > and their derivatives are the only ones i know of. Google suggests Kali Linux > > has its own (it doesn't just use Debian's), but i don't know much about that > > distro. macOS and Homebrew definitely don't use it. It looks like Fedora uses > > skel, so they'll never see the change at all :/ > > Can one of you point me in the right direction? The number of mailing > lists for Debian and Ubuntu is HUGE, but then for Kali Linux, I cannot > find a mailing list at all. I have no idea where I should post for any > of these. For Debian, the maintainers are listed at . There's a mailing list, so you can just email that. In general, Debian tends to like things being organized around bug reports, but filing a bug without reportbug(1) isn't the most user-friendly workflow in the world, so I'll gloss over it for now. Other distros generally have browsable package indexes that list the current version and maintainer of each package. There's also https://repology.org/project/zsh/versions which lists information from multiple distros. Cheers, Daniel