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Sat, 1 May 2021 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 4FXX6m3jWyz3bK; Sat, 1 May 2021 14:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 14:43:44 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: Marlon Richert Cc: Zsh hackers list Subject: Re: sysexits.h codes? (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH] `newuser` prompt theme) Message-ID: <20210501144344.GA4080@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <7E71FA83-356E-448B-9726-02DF3FF5BD14@gmail.com> <873D08A9-F321-474A-8440-CCE7DCCBA529@gmail.com> <20210414120551.GA3882@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <6CEA4F3E-9A64-44E1-9121-FA9D5E053AB5@gmail.com> <20210414140950.GH3882@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <0be2a280-9f0e-4762-87cb-aa6af32a813c@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 48766 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Marlon Richert wrote on Sat, May 01, 2021 at 16:39:06 +0300: > On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 12:16 AM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > > Marlon Richert wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:40 +00:00: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:29 PM Paul wrote: > > > > - I half-agree with not unsetting clobber. noclobber is better default > > > > behavior (it prevents much more damaging surprises), but just seeing > > > > "file exists" or "no such file or directory" without any '>|' or '>>|' > > > > suggestion is frustrating. > > > > > > That could use a more helpful message, too. > > > > Yeah. The code should say what it was trying to do when it called the > > syscall which returned that error; i.e., «zerrnam(foo, "while doing bar: > > %e", errno)» rather than «zerrnam(foo, "%e", errno)». > > That still wouldn't help the user understand why this happens (because > NOCLOBBER is set) NO_CLOBBER being set could be an action at a distance, so it'd be reasonable for stderr to mention it. Feel free to propose new text. > and it still doesn't tell them what to do about it > (use '>|' to override NOCLOBBER or just write to another file). > As for your other points: Your call. I've laid out my arguments; I > have nothing further to add. What, are you asking me to make all design decisions myself? That's not how this list works.