From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
To: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: $PPID not updated when the PPID changes (parent killed)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:15:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210518081520.GA3332066@zira.vinc17.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+w=7bywj1X1fyPLgpmo_OoqBEN8PjEDxDeKP-tMR_O4g04tg@mail.gmail.com>
On 2021-05-17 16:15:24 -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:27 PM Phil Pennock
> <zsh-workers+phil.pennock@spodhuis.org> wrote:
> >
> > The initial parent process ID; that is, the process ID of the process
> > which created this shell process, at the time that it did so.
>
> This is pretty close to what I was thinking. Does "at the time"
> really add anything?
It would be better without it.
> > Just as for $$, the value is only set for the original shell and does
> > not dynamically change for implicit subshells (as created for (list)
> > and for pipelines).
>
> Except (list) is an explicit subshell, isn't it?
>
> > It's an attempt to be clearer that "if you run zsh within zsh,
> > that's not a subshell, sure _that_ gets $$ and $PPID reset".
>
> Indeed. I'm tempted to say
>
> Just as with $$, the value is updated only within a new shell
> that increases $SHLVL, and not in other subshells.
>
> And then clarify "a new shell" under SHLVL if necessary, but I hope it isn't.
The zsh man pages use "subshell" at various places. They should be
consistent on what a subshell is, perhaps have a clear definition
at one place, and say what happens when a subshell is created.
Note also that the following in the zshmodules(1) man page should be
updated too:
sysparams
A readonly associative array. The keys are:
[...]
ppid Returns the process ID of the parent of the current
process, even in subshells. Compare $PPID, which returns
the process ID of the parent of the main shell process.
This is even more confusing, because there are actually 2 differences
between $sysparams[ppid] and $PPID:
1. The fact that $sysparams[ppid] takes a new value in subshells, but
not $PPID.
2. The fact that $sysparams[ppid] is updated when the parent process
terminates, but not $PPID.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-18 8:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-16 15:24 Vincent Lefevre
2021-05-16 18:37 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-17 20:26 ` Vincent Lefevre
2021-05-17 21:00 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-17 22:27 ` Phil Pennock
2021-05-17 23:15 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-18 0:30 ` Phil Pennock
2021-05-18 1:14 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-18 8:28 ` Vincent Lefevre
2021-05-18 8:15 ` Vincent Lefevre [this message]
2021-05-18 14:53 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-19 4:25 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-07-18 23:10 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2021-05-18 15:18 ` Mikael Magnusson
2021-05-18 16:14 ` Peter Stephenson
2021-05-18 18:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-18 17:37 ` Martijn Dekker
2021-05-18 18:08 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-18 19:40 ` Martijn Dekker
2021-05-18 18:06 ` Stephane Chazelas
2021-05-18 18:12 ` Bart Schaefer
2021-05-18 18:50 ` $SHLVL origin (was: $PPID not updated when the PPID changes (parent killed)) Stephane Chazelas
2021-05-18 15:56 ` $PPID not updated when the PPID changes (parent killed) Stephane Chazelas
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