From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6847 invoked from network); 11 May 2022 10:07:19 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 May 2022 10:07:19 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1652263639; b=PX4oON5aCbwBb7DZHM+uShWl+BZ5Q77E05RPMr6l+tfOXPvNWbgkPK6wrApru4u6knzrUr7aaJ g/36XpAxYp3gJO9Kw8AyvWmn82HU16UTpWqc9ughQawjKm6WNuBK4xRQCpdlSgu5yhhF6NHvoG AdhbmRcUqA7dSd5ccbLrwSzzKUdxRlurjFtBmIRzJaAqN7Lv7Fj477cPPOcKMXod83694iNRzr 3m33RM6gQOZ4ji3TrDiP+EHB5XM+lntNZspCmZGFxvZIZeXYUZFQn29+yaFy2WDg1LO/2XQu9l gwc7mhqiDEmeJ/dGoBTmEwgLTY5vqRSb3AvcwX4Qp0PjXg==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (sym.noone.org) smtp.remote-ip=178.63.92.236; dmarc=none header.from=deuxchevaux.org; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1652263639; bh=2UJoUXXYIblSymCaTOmjJ0/ZXm4eBfltFTxjqbP8mO4=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:DKIM-Signature; b=XzLZRZCq0oy+r2fqHEGLSOW27fRWO8LfTzgH0G/REqWic0Yfmgkz8x6ORQ74wRygfBtC3QBjFV qTW/+LNDbcqRusKarPkw9qchBmqxIR8uPtqIBiTV/koorq4Ui8WQMloXS+lekMmJDoffocA3il /Yv3MxwxrM+SHJcehzW67c9SJOlwqW4UDP1gmjQmW6xc3EWBKYkQE8mYxM0dfkGuLvhXrL4lTq aQkvBeRoy1y4ACI8Q6EXuuzzNcuG5g1uiQ9VFrGQggsGgfHVkOq+BgQIpon/BPyLvnYxwWcddm afkBB4iy9HINEjhxsA1Sv8+wNEgvkN5xNxKpFic9ns0zuw==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding :Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=UPhjpmlCmZtl97+jyeLRn0WOdhcX1Py07AqGKmot+3E=; b=irfTQfYMnFYMx4bd+HJdYKu9jG sReNphAVc9UCKWGfXCqaVQvTgBhGyeZ++EclVzYE81jGt+c/ZPOJYdHb/IwZfMF6ZxbcvWi4/l9Ne NaYWge01m2riJak80S9fkGpXT/mN1Vn9FzT2cHYbF58pXg5HzmLiZ0292y1ktdulBe/fAeOzmU7v/ kP02lnQiMrpK0U4ZgzN+RZydNj7By6SCpsLCcPDvuFoeell/mMhQVgSuQPgRrZfYyriw0X+GwsJA5 EMsdoywFuWp9suH7FmBWFmjOsXVGW8OHLiTf+9ji/A+4JgLMy0ReLcUImh8rLe45nVDgaDCqIH+b+ iar2BLdQ==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1nojFV-000Dtg-MK; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:07:17 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (sym.noone.org) smtp.remote-ip=178.63.92.236; dmarc=none header.from=deuxchevaux.org; arc=none Received: from sym.noone.org ([178.63.92.236]:46768 helo=sym2.noone.org) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) id 1nojEv-000Dbb-0c; Wed, 11 May 2022 10:06:42 +0000 Received: by sym2.noone.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4KyrD01gRyzvjfp; Wed, 11 May 2022 12:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 12:06:37 +0200 From: Axel Beckert To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: Speaking of 5.8.1.3-test ... Message-ID: <20220511100635.7qajkangnlw74hyg@sym.noone.org> Mail-Followup-To: zsh-workers@zsh.org References: <927aab43-f4a7-4c37-a033-892a8fb6933a@www.fastmail.com> <20220508142619.gjwtqcrpfe754vx5@sym.noone.org> <20220509095829.vp5k3umqdlxuagsh@sym.noone.org> <20220510172809.hbesv2xy4mi6uhs4@sym.noone.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 4.9.0-18-amd64 X-Machine: sym2 x86_64 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 25.1.1 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAAAAAC3mUtaAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAADh0RVh0U29mdHdhcmUAWFYgVmVyc2lvbiAzLjEwYSAgUmV2OiAxMi8yOS85NCAoUE5HIHBhdGNoIDEuMindFS5JAAACGElEQVQ4jXXQMU8UYRDG8f8shNjdDH4AbpfGDjAWlKiJiZ0ajL1aGCvsNCbGaCGG1koLaztaTYz6ATy+gOyehYmF3MxVxgg3FnDsHcTpJr/M+8w7Rf6nCsaVTTDqxbg9hoOXmw83H71+Eyfg4E1d7/Z2fG9rGkZbTQiu+K+3U/C+76lmkvAhJuDndnoAiftou4V84okAGclop4U/jYACZDTxrYWP0gkxVfAm/W//GLZpxIzwIN0Hn8dw0B+IWkZmQmRsj2HfhwokEklHfNCCiQCRgAR7YyhQVRVTCKCzP4Y5zBBE0t0zY3Q8oQaBqqAMlVEcgVQd9706zGirAFium8HXumlMIeMwqQCInju+2+uB6MRENupdpMt8pRlHZyuAW0F+Mb6XSIVqtxjD+iVmVqqystLEzFTGT92YqRaXpNT5eTVjeJhbALPnrTxLUZUKZsgxcNm64hAOYisT/xhF+oKTGU5RegtC3Rt6eEDi/QnIevdTx9Md2EMmYBRmCQR1026FCGQQJJExsRUqgkMGaWSbwYLnoO4T6VgpbQbdELPMBAHWWrhYrcxXnYgAsatPWygkFCBD4K62MAsOTqA6szYRPpsu6e6Y8mPiVrBMNuGIMrgwBUu4p2DgG1Ownu6hpuTv7hScefHAzAC/yRRw5U5pALMbJ4AUALvHSZhxgHPXTsHcdWD1GadAHr9avP+c0wCr7263Df8ASLwXWHWs+KIAAAAHdElNRQfYBQEBODPr Organization: DeuxChevaux.org -- The =?iso-8859-1?Q?Citr?= =?iso-8859-1?B?b+tu?= 2CV Database User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Seq: 50203 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Hi, On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:55:40AM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:39 AM Axel Beckert wrote: > > > > 5.8.1.3-test failed on alpha again, but this time differently: > > Looks like a zpty problem. I'm not sure how much effort we want to > put into that, because it's likely to be a problem only within the > test suite. And it only happens on rather exotic/vintage architecture which had other arch-specific issues beforehand. So yes, I fully agree. And I would even say that this can be ignored for the upcoming release. But even though I don't consider these issues being relevant for the release, I also didn't want to sweep them under the carpet, so I mentioned them. > Axel, you may be the only person with sufficient access to alpha to do > any deeper debugging. Probably yes. :-) [The remainder of this mail is just reminiscing about vintage hardware.] And likely even more than you might expect: On the one hand, I have access to Debian's porter boxes. (Can't share that access, of couse.) But on the other hand I also do have an HP AlphaServer DS15(*) sitting on my desk and catching dust. Haven't powered it up for a few years, so I might need to apply quite some updates first. But I expect it to run as it did when I had it with me on a vintage computing festival a few years ago showing of old, exotic workstations running a current Debian Unstable. Anyway, that's kinda motivation to get that box dedusted and running again. No promises on a time frame or if it will work at all, though. :-) Depending on how well-known a person is to me, I might even give out (IPv6-only) SSH accounts on that box — once I've got it up and running again. PGP-signed mails and a PGP-key, to which I can find a trust chain, are necessary for that, though. Footnotes: (*) The DS15 has been built between 2003 and 2007 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaServer and seems to have been one of the models produced until HP phased out the Alpha architecture in favour of the also already dead Itanium/IA64 architecture. It's actually quite performant for being "vintage hardware" due to its 1 GHz (single core) CPU and 4 GB of RAM. :-) Kind regards, Axel -- PGP: 2FF9CD59612616B5 /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign, http://arc.pasp.de/ Mail: abe@deuxchevaux.org \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and Usenet Mail+Jabber: abe@noone.org X https://axel.beckert.ch/ / \ I love long mails: https://email.is-not-s.ms/