From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10431 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2022 12:34:02 -0000 Received: from zero.zsh.org (2a02:898:31:0:48:4558:7a:7368) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Aug 2022 12:34:02 -0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; cv=none; a=rsa-sha256; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1661949242; b=J61AWl8tGjjazA8Yt9TaqZxGJe0Jl6fs0OenUwcoICNo0ohjlktehzQj8GgzZ4IYj0Xm2kK2Er i9x/y/W5+9wK6ypKbP1d/bYUgcb0wUxQu09kAZBQ6VCPRWSLCCLV4hcdqttTcEFAFd2r4qCkT2 fH71U2vGx0WW4UImei6zkq6dC7t85m/KMh9KxwctYpQi6Uskgjn7oS9FwjpGRt4udNrPSOaYVA H2T6rmQNlL3H+gdap7juFg7XAvL67kOgnIgC2sSTvblCysOUwUS76CnGDEvh/zrsUF6sTLSmR9 lGxO6uakt3iL6i2bA7z+lvApJRiQJ9Eg2jD5xZgvgFBu7A==; ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; zsh.org; iprev=pass (joooj.vinc17.net) smtp.remote-ip=155.133.131.76; dmarc=none header.from=vinc17.net; arc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; t=1661949242; bh=0oxvinltxclbZ8Htm3jCRTARNXXFZ+AAYllNYNmY0lM=; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Help: List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:DKIM-Signature; b=USy/EiXrPWRDNdx6pBpnBa7/srwmhfIuD6MZZOyUy79ImcERFyLjejao+zEzeUuogK2Nw6WuCA gN0jadeFl0zzWhRQBB26G4vI+dUMzp7qTxRkRVyo2xhx95eNZ7mtIX46VnOYu/Tj56IayVvHbf 6uGo2EMQWMXblz9sLwo3Slw9VpcTwwASuippBcy4kA+tm04bhk1tct9tOQ+4nc082wpXJyCKEm piZNyeLFiAhM5PDlgKQNZ8Dcrp2WWXoBA8alJNy1Fzehws6yVfTVdx58rVKsxzPuahZ5xIX7ei SPlAzdpwR2JSFXDPJCdUTH3Ov2t2TwubVnbwXRAKjOm2Iw==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zsh.org; s=rsa-20210803; h=List-Archive:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Id:Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding :Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID; bh=o3ey5WKffihwgwnqfdFy321qyaSYn4PNUUznZRx+57I=; b=VTa70yxu9SpmmSd6gGggABwUz/ l0OyLFIMtuxoy0MYsKyP6gAJ/eyxD0aD6CY8Ii94iYjCFhMYf2YnYkQ9kKkWyO5TQNO6jpCtmAuvy m9gxtzxmmRrYIyx+8ScbgbduzVPxe6Wh/EWnCGtExtB1q5ECG5JpX2ANlf2UPNe7BFiOlil03BhhB v+V4mj8Q7HpfYkVlnWgvVkbz8MnTw40NJeXzHfwbtJcrBJptSrLg3KdHJO2nldxgwsdFI/rbOGLU1 /QtXeZorKmvyU77sksxMRHhoFwub3XPtH3RnQegkqjFLtqoyU0IMo75hdEaItlg7ZXYMgsUmYxDI2 89HgZ1yA==; Received: from authenticated user by zero.zsh.org with local id 1oTMut-0008qA-Tu; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:33:59 +0000 Authentication-Results: zsh.org; iprev=pass (joooj.vinc17.net) smtp.remote-ip=155.133.131.76; dmarc=none header.from=vinc17.net; arc=none Received: from joooj.vinc17.net ([155.133.131.76]:44730) by zero.zsh.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1oTMpm-0008Om-Qf; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:28:43 +0000 Received: from smtp-zira.vinc17.net (128.119.75.86.rev.sfr.net [86.75.119.128]) by joooj.vinc17.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 926002D4; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zira.vinc17.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49CAF2800226; Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:28:42 +0200 From: Vincent Lefevre To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install Message-ID: <20220831122842.GC992100@zira.vinc17.org> Mail-Followup-To: zsh-workers@zsh.org References: <764a967b-86df-42bf-9242-22e9aeedfac6@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Mailer-Info: https://www.vinc17.net/mutt/ User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+32 (d84696f2) vl-149028 (2022-08-22) X-Seq: 50551 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: On 2022-08-30 14:31:30 -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Yes, but "we" are zsh veterans. We don't need a simpler .zshrc, but > newcomers do. Having a too simple .zshrc file is not helping them. Rather than hidden defaults, I think that it is better to have explicit values in some default .zshrc file, so that it is easier to change them. In particular, the default depends very much on the usage. I currently use HISTSIZE=8000 SAVEHIST=8000, and while this value is OK on some machines, I've noticed that I sometimes lose commands, and indeed, after a look, this gives me only a 12-day history on my main machine, while I would have thought that it would be several weeks (I wish I could set a minimum time limit for the history). And there's more than the history. I suspect that many users would like "bindkey -e", a better prompt and better completions than the default. But such things could only be in a default .zshrc file, because there are no good hardcoded defaults. > > It's not a lot. It's still two lines. Using an impressive-looking > > percentage doesn't change this. > > It's not a lot to you, because you already know what those two lines do. > > Nobody is going to write those two lines for a newcomer, he will have > to read two entries in the manual to understand what those two lines > do, and even then might not necessarily get it. Not if these lines are put in a default .zshrc file, with minimum documentation (in case the user would want to change them without having to read all the details in the manual). -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)